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In the discussion thread: the whining here about religion being included in the inauguration [View all]

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Tue Jan 22, 2013, 12:44 PM

Fumesucker (31,595 posts)

23. Nadine's OP on the same subject yesterday was more dismissive and more condescending

Not only a day late but a dollar short too, cali.

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217 replies	Author	Time	Post
the whining here about religion being included in the inauguration [View all]	cali	Jan 2013	OP
...aaaaaaaand religious invocations have been involved in all 57 inaugurations.	WilliamPitt	Jan 2013	#1
Amazing how they've slipped that one past us...	Jeff In Milwaukee	Jan 2013	#54
chuckle...	SoapBox	Jan 2013	#104
Yeah...	whathehell	Jan 2013	#118
Christians aren't the only religious people in America...	Jeff In Milwaukee	Jan 2013	#122
No, in fact some of them are Jews and Muslims.	whathehell	Jan 2013	#138
Party Pooper....(nt)	Jeff In Milwaukee	Jan 2013	#148
And Hindus and Sikhs	demwing	Jan 2013	#187
aaaaaaaand religious invocations have been involved in all 57 inaugurations.	AlbertCat	Jan 2013	#57
No, it's not. The inauguration is not a government function - it's a very public	kestrel91316	Jan 2013	#106
the oath as specified in the constitution	SCantiGOP	Jan 2013	#125
The oath giver (as someone who has taken and given many oaths over the years)	MADem	Jan 2013	#193
I was on a jury once as an alternate	SCantiGOP	Jan 2013	#197
I gave the oaths in a military environment, often to people getting promoted or re-enlisting.	MADem	Jan 2013	#200
Ah! The old "constitutional argument from someone who hasn't read the constittion" trick...	cthulu2016	Jan 2013	#146
Actually, it is a government function.	jeff47	Jan 2013	#162
Taking the Oath of Office isn't a government function?	caseymoz	Jan 2013	#167
It's not a "taxpayer funded" thing, either--it is mostly funded by DONORS.	MADem	Jan 2013	#195
...aaaaaaand slaves worked on all inaugurations until emancipation.	jeff47	Jan 2013	#161
Invocations didn't start until 1937.	Luminous Animal	Jan 2013	#189
I agree. We all should lower our standards	NoOneMan	Jan 2013	#2
So being religious is a character flaw?	Estevan	Jan 2013	#6
Whoa. Thats certainly direct	NoOneMan	Jan 2013	#8
You did call it a character flaw...	Sekhmets Daughter	Jan 2013	#32
But the last time there was a real socialist Christian...	NoOneMan	Jan 2013	#39
Oh please..."we" didn't hang anyone.	Sekhmets Daughter	Jan 2013	#45
Surely that alternative may of been preferable	NoOneMan	Jan 2013	#52
So you object to wasting time?	Sekhmets Daughter	Jan 2013	#65
Wasting time is fine...my specialty	NoOneMan	Jan 2013	#73
But the training must take place when the 'subject' is very young...	Sekhmets Daughter	Jan 2013	#100
I used to agree,	NoOneMan	Jan 2013	#110
I'm not sure what you mean by that.	Sekhmets Daughter	Jan 2013	#116
I don't need to change anyone's hearts	NoOneMan	Jan 2013	#132
So your contribution to this thread has been, what?	demwing	Jan 2013	#135
I don't believe I whined once	NoOneMan	Jan 2013	#139
more whining	demwing	Jan 2013	#141
Ditto	NoOneMan	Jan 2013	#142
now you're praying	demwing	Jan 2013	#155
Sorry bro, but your Atheist Age of Aquarius has not yet arrived...	whathehell	Jan 2013	#133
Yeah, we are still in the age of an invisible best friend impregnating a blessed virgin	NoOneMan	Jan 2013	#136
Oh, we're still in the age of an invisible best friend commanding Abraham to kill his own son	whathehell	Jan 2013	#145
Surely not as silly as a golden atheist age!	NoOneMan	Jan 2013	#147
More so.	whathehell	Jan 2013	#152
Thats a good thing to be	NoOneMan	Jan 2013	#154
It's not bad	whathehell	Jan 2013	#217
Jesus wasn't Christian, he was Jewish. eom	dakota_democrat	Jan 2013	#68
Its an old joke fyi	NoOneMan	Jan 2013	#70
Who is this "we" you are talking about? It's hard to hang an imaginary figure on anything.	cleanhippie	Jan 2013	#76
Civilization	NoOneMan	Jan 2013	#81
Whose words? I've no idea what you are talking about.	cleanhippie	Jan 2013	#86
I believe that he is	billh58	Jan 2013	#158
My, aren't you superior?	pnwmom	Jan 2013	#143
I was offended by his delivering his speech in English.	onehandle	Jan 2013	#3
This message was self-deleted by its author	onehandle	Jan 2013	#12
Exactly.	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#4
Ignoring it enables it, and that we should never do	Demo_Chris	Jan 2013	#27
Nonsense.	MineralMan	Jan 2013	#29
Thank you.	narnian60	Jan 2013	#83
As long as people do not try to force their beliefs on others I'm OK with it all. I saw	RKP5637	Jan 2013	#115
I wonder whether the true purpose of those butthurt threads is to make atheists look petty	Nye Bevan	Jan 2013	#5
^^^This^^^	Surya Gayatri	Jan 2013	#38
Intolerance and dogmatism, thy name is atheism.	AlbertCat	Jan 2013	#63
No	demwing	Jan 2013	#140
It's an official government party.	jeff47	Jan 2013	#163
It's party, with government officals in attendence	demwing	Jan 2013	#177
They paid for the stage and other physical things	jeff47	Jan 2013	#184
Those salaried employees would have been paid on that day if they went to a strip club or a polo	MADem	Jan 2013	#180
Actually, the bookeeping is done by the hour	jeff47	Jan 2013	#186
The police, Secret Service, sanitation crews - they were working a govt event on an official holiday	riderinthestorm	Jan 2013	#198
The overtime is paid by the increase in tax revenue--the District usually makes money on these	MADem	Jan 2013	#199
The Office of Budget and Mgmt estimates 2009's inauguration cost taxpayers in excess of $50 million	riderinthestorm	Jan 2013	#201
That's "fake accounting," though. You're only reading one side of the ledger.	MADem	Jan 2013	#204
Fake? Many (most) of those people would have had a federal holiday off.	riderinthestorm	Jan 2013	#206
No, that's not the case. It does seem that way at first blush, but when you get down in the weeds,	MADem	Jan 2013	#210
"It's a party, not an official government function...	Capt. Obvious	Jan 2013	#169
OK, Captain Obvious, without the prayer	demwing	Jan 2013	#171
"undies bunched"	Capt. Obvious	Jan 2013	#176
Ha. I don't wear undies!	demwing	Jan 2013	#178
This is how Atheists go about converting people wrong.	JaneyVee	Jan 2013	#7
Oppressed trying like hell to become oppressors.	intheflow	Jan 2013	#22
Now there's the main point!	SCVDem	Jan 2013	#114
Dumb-ass straw grasping by those who are mad Obama was re-elected.	emulatorloo	Jan 2013	#9
Yeah. That's it. You know how those evil atheists all really secretly love Mitt.	Arugula Latte	Jan 2013	#26
Ya know, fuck it. Now atheists who may want less religiosity in civil ceremonies are Mitt lovers??	riderinthestorm	Jan 2013	#51
I agree and for that very argument we should have formal prayer in schools.	rhett o rick	Jan 2013	#10
and yet another person who doesn't even have a teeny eeny grasp	cali	Jan 2013	#15
Apparently you do dont see the parallel and have to resort to ridicule. But you are in the majority.	rhett o rick	Jan 2013	#20
Give us a grasp, please	muriel_volestrangler	Jan 2013	#151
they seem to have a real beef, and although I'm not an atheist, one can understand	quinnox	Jan 2013	#11
--> I "heard" it was almost a full bore church religious revival <--	emulatorloo	Jan 2013	#14
maybe it is a question of perspective	quinnox	Jan 2013	#19
you heard completely wrong and seeing as YOU didn't watch any of it, you have no basis	cali	Jan 2013	#17
Obama, Biden attend inaugural prayer service at Washington National Cathedral	onehandle	Jan 2013	#13
Obama, Biden attend inaugural prayer service at Washington National Cathedral	AlbertCat	Jan 2013	#67
Yeah. I just posted to a thread...	NCTraveler	Jan 2013	#16
it's pretty shocking	cali	Jan 2013	#18
No, it is you who do not understand	Demo_Chris	Jan 2013	#46
You're wasting your time and words on them	just1voice	Jan 2013	#55
Where is the hypocrisy in the post that person was replying to?	NCTraveler	Jan 2013	#103
That is so far out there that your problem cannot be corrected.	NCTraveler	Jan 2013	#101
Oh my	amuse bouche	Jan 2013	#117
Sounds like	tama	Jan 2013	#215
The best was the attack on the Battle Hymn	alcibiades_mystery	Jan 2013	#21
Yeah, his inauguration speech was spectacular	NoOneMan	Jan 2013	#24
The tone-deafness on that complaint was extraordinary	WolverineDG	Jan 2013	#56
Nadine's OP on the same subject yesterday was more dismissive and more condescending	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#23
lol	quinnox	Jan 2013	#25
LOL	leftstreet	Jan 2013	#36
K&R it would be easier to get everyone worldwide to recognize and	Whisp	Jan 2013	#28
And since even this is futile	NoOneMan	Jan 2013	#42
Yup. Since its "traditional" (pay no mind that tradition is often code for continuing bigotry) nt	riderinthestorm	Jan 2013	#47
I'm not sure what you are proposing here.	Whisp	Jan 2013	#113
What I am proposing?	NoOneMan	Jan 2013	#134
on religion, my god is Bill Maher	Whisp	Jan 2013	#149
They just have to get over it or go see their therapist.	demosincebirth	Jan 2013	#30
So it would have to be a technical, clear Constitutional violation...	Silent3	Jan 2013	#31
why yes. as long as you are free to exercise your religious proclivities... or not	cali	Jan 2013	#43
So you'd have been just peachy with it...	Silent3	Jan 2013	#48
So Rick Warren was great in 2009?	jeff47	Jan 2013	#164
At least they did the religious parts well this time. Some people miss the cultural aspects of	Bluenorthwest	Jan 2013	#33
That's it? Atheists are only "whining"? "Complaining vociferously"? Ignorant of US history?	riderinthestorm	Jan 2013	#34
Unrec...for the use of of the word whining...	joeybee12	Jan 2013	#35
Unfortunately telling atheists to STFU has a long history on DU, and gets applause	riderinthestorm	Jan 2013	#44
Seems members of both sides of the issue enjoy a bit of...	LanternWaste	Jan 2013	#58
Please provide links where atheists have told Cali or anyone else to STFU on this issue?	riderinthestorm	Jan 2013	#64
But the whining about the whining is top notch!	Iggo	Jan 2013	#37
The whining here was to be expected.	Bake	Jan 2013	#40
Good point..LOL! Thank God, for the scroll button on my mouse.	rainlillie	Jan 2013	#62
Those whining about those whining about all that Religious crap...	bvar22	Jan 2013	#41
I can't forgive false religion's ties to bush.	Democrats_win	Jan 2013	#49
They need to get TF over it	Gman	Jan 2013	#50
certainly not as smart as you or the OP..	frylock	Jan 2013	#124
The whining about the whining here about religion being included in the inauguration	AlbertCat	Jan 2013	#53
Patronizing, I knew I was missing a word, dismissive, condescending and patronizing	Fumesucker	Jan 2013	#59
Being that the President is a Christian, the ceremony represented his beliefs..	rainlillie	Jan 2013	#60
So you would have no problem with the principal of your school, being a christian and everything,	Warren Stupidity	Jan 2013	#87
Nope.	rainlillie	Jan 2013	#95
How, exactly, are the situations different?	jeff47	Jan 2013	#165
Yeah and I don't have a problem with either.	rainlillie	Jan 2013	#172
Yet the SCOTUS has ruled repeatedly that one of those is unconstitutional.	jeff47	Jan 2013	#183
Really? The Supreme Court has held otherwise for over 40 years.	Warren Stupidity	Jan 2013	#209
It is however sad that this day in age	Fearless	Jan 2013	#61
Seriously, who the hell are you to question what others believe..	rainlillie	Jan 2013	#66
Tolerance is a beautiful thing.	AlbertCat	Jan 2013	#72
Sure is..	rainlillie	Jan 2013	#80
You're right	Fearless	Jan 2013	#82
Is it really a shocker that religion played a part in the President's inauguration?	AlbertCat	Jan 2013	#175
And we should tolerate them when they tell people to	zeemike	Jan 2013	#112
And we should tolerate them when they tell people to STFU about religion...	AlbertCat	Jan 2013	#179
Well I can see how that is so much worse.	zeemike	Jan 2013	#202
you believe it is real..	AlbertCat	Jan 2013	#213
Well I don't wish you any harm.	zeemike	Jan 2013	#214
Uh huh.	AtheistCrusader	Jan 2013	#75
This thing works both ways	Fearless	Jan 2013	#79
You don't have to accept jack! Just be respectful and not insulting to folks	rainlillie	Jan 2013	#88
I am not insulting you any more than you're insulting me.	Fearless	Jan 2013	#97
I guess it was the use of the term "superstitious nonsense,"	rainlillie	Jan 2013	#107
I assume it was.	Fearless	Jan 2013	#108
Go for it!	rainlillie	Jan 2013	#111
Have a good day	Fearless	Jan 2013	#123
You too.	rainlillie	Jan 2013	#130
"superstitious nonsense," That was offensive to me.	AlbertCat	Jan 2013	#182
Respecting your belief means respecting you wanting me to burn in a lake of fire.	jeff47	Jan 2013	#168
Merry-go-rounds are nauseating..	rainlillie	Jan 2013	#170
You can be whatever you'd like. But the religion you're supporting demands I suffer. (nt)	jeff47	Jan 2013	#181
Damn! you know more about me than I know about myself..	rainlillie	Jan 2013	#190
You're still supporting it, whether or not you believe in it. (nt)	jeff47	Jan 2013	#191
Wow--you're LUMPING!	MADem	Jan 2013	#212
Yup	amuse bouche	Jan 2013	#121
Amen!!!	mfcorey1	Jan 2013	#69
Oh goodie, yet another sanctimonious lecture.	forestpath	Jan 2013	#71
Yeah, fuck those people that find religious ceremony at a secular event to be divisive.	cleanhippie	Jan 2013	#74
I'm an Atheist and I find the poutrage annoying as Hell.	Odin2005	Jan 2013	#77
I'm pretty much in the same boat, I just let it roll off my back seeing it	RKP5637	Jan 2013	#126
I think the divide between the religious and the non-religious is greater than ever in the US...	YoungDemCA	Jan 2013	#78
It seems to always be targeted at those of a Christian culture	Cynicus Emeritus	Jan 2013	#105
Bingo!!.....You won't hear jack shit against Judaism, Islam or anything else here	whathehell	Jan 2013	#150
BAM! There it is!	Bake	Jan 2013	#160
You're most welcome, Bake.	whathehell	Jan 2013	#192
There is now more whining about the whining, seems to me.	djean111	Jan 2013	#84
lol	quinnox	Jan 2013	#85
It's like we've entered into some sort of whining paradox that could fracture the	Guy Whitey Corngood	Jan 2013	#91
This OP, the dismissive tone, lack of accuracy, and piling on of the replies	Egalitarian Thug	Jan 2013	#89
It's dissapointing I guess, but he is a Christian, so this is in keeping with his publicly claimed	AtheistCrusader	Jan 2013	#90
Spam deleted by cyberswede (MIR Team)	soft_eyes	Jan 2013	#92
5, 4, 3, 2......	Guy Whitey Corngood	Jan 2013	#93
and you little pumpkin are soon to be booted out of here on your moronic	cali	Jan 2013	#99
as an atheist i found	YankeyMCC	Jan 2013	#94
But the religiosity is superfluous.	longship	Jan 2013	#96
One person's "whining"..	99Forever	Jan 2013	#98
Cali, you need to rethink what separation means	cthulu2016	Jan 2013	#102
+1 Great post.	Luminous Animal	Jan 2013	#196
I'm not going to call anyone a whiner	jcamp27	Jan 2013	#109
Cali, You've made some good points	rainlillie	Jan 2013	#119
May Odin Bless and Keep you	frylock	Jan 2013	#120
or one of the other	amuse bouche	Jan 2013	#127
It did violate separation of church and state	Progressive dog	Jan 2013	#128
nonetheless, when the praying starts, I stop paying attention....	mike_c	Jan 2013	#129
Certain OPs were disingenuous, IMO	ecstatic	Jan 2013	#131
The overwhelmng majority of Americans believe in God	bluestateguy	Jan 2013	#137
I refute your majoritarian argument Thus...	cthulu2016	Jan 2013	#144
I suggest that...	99Forever	Jan 2013	#166
The overwhelmng majority of Americans believe in God	AlbertCat	Jan 2013	#185
99% of the members of Congress also swear in on a Bible. Obama is also a Christian so uses the Bible	judesedit	Jan 2013	#153
Nit-picky navel-gazing. . .	DinahMoeHum	Jan 2013	#156
why do all of these kind of whines always include	stupidicus	Jan 2013	#157
I am confused and sad ...	trishtrash	Jan 2013	#159
We are, in other threads.	djean111	Jan 2013	#174
Of course, I know that. (A little patronizing by the way.)	trishtrash	Jan 2013	#205
Sorry - I thought it was a little disingenuous to ask why we couldn't talk about nice things ;-)	djean111	Jan 2013	#208
I get your points and honor your beliefs.	trishtrash	Jan 2013	#211
Agreed n/t	malaise	Jan 2013	#173
No one is forced to pray or believe	JNelson6563	Jan 2013	#188
+1	progressoid	Jan 2013	#216
Totally agree. nt	Raine	Jan 2013	#194
Thank you for the buckets of blood	Laochtine	Jan 2013	#203
This call out OP is a whine. Lame and entitled.	DirkGently	Jan 2013	#207

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