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Tue May 8, 2012, 09:16 PM

Breaking: North Carolina Passes Amendment to Ban Gay Marriage

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Source: AP / MSNBC

NC approves amendment on gay marriage

By MARTHA WAGGONER, Associated Press – 5 minutes ago

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — North Carolina voters have approved a constitutional amendment defining marriage solely as a union between a man and a woman, making it the 30th state to adopt such a ban.

With 35 percent of precincts reporting Tuesday, unofficial returns showed the amendment passing with about 58 percent of the vote to 42 percent against.

In the days before the vote, members of President Barack Obama's cabinet expressed support for gay marriage and former President Bill Clinton recorded phone messages urging voters to reject the amendment.

Meanwhile, supporters ran their own ad campaigns and church leaders urged Sunday congregations to vote for the amendment. The Rev. Billy Graham was featured in full-page newspaper ads supporting the amendment.

Read more: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jMc52sVsFTFWWyrhx6CZZlko3Omg?docId=3e14159cd8044b958b3d26ef8e32c0d4



Oh, I am so proud of my idiot state tonight.

Unconstitutional AND bigoted to boot.

http://www.prop8trialtracker.com/2012/05/07/north-carolina-prop-8-backers-responsible-for-anti-gay-amendment-1s-broad-language/

North Carolina: Prop 8 backers Alliance Defense Fund responsible for anti-gay Amendment 1's broad language
May 7, 2012

By Scottie Thomaston

The language of North Carolina’s Amendment 1 – that the “only domestic legal union” that will be “valid or recognized” in North Carolina – is exceptionally broad and incredibly unclear. The ballot language is also unprecedented and undefined in North Carolina law. Since the proponents of the amendment went forward with the proposed amendment language, questions have been raised often about whether the amendment will eliminate protections against domestic violence for those in domestic partnerships. The statute relied upon in domestic violence cases uses a defined set of “recognize(d)” relationships. But the amendment clearly changes North Carolina law to only “recognize” one type of relationship: marriage between a man and a woman. And even research linked on the Vote For Marriage NC site – the website of the proponents – admits the amendment will ban civil unions and domestic partnerships. This will eliminate all the rights associated with currently existing domestic partnerships, including children’s health insurance.

It didn’t have to be this way:

This weekend, (NC House Majority Leader) Stam finally explained (why the amendment's language is so broad and unclear) to the Fayetteville Observer who reported it this way. Stam, the Raleigh lawmaker, said he wanted a more narrowly worded amendment but was “overruled” by “national experts” he identified as the Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian legal advocacy group.

The Alliance Defense Fund is a leader in pushing anti-gay initiatives. They helped put Proposition 8 on the ballot. In fact, they fought to make Proposition 8′s language unclear:

Having lost its legal battle in May, the ADF has since redirected its efforts to guaranteeing Prop 8′s passage in November. Specifically, the group has attempted to finagle the initiative’s language, controlling how it will be read by voters at the ballot box. In early August, ADF lawyers filed an appeal with the court to reverse state Attorney General Jerry Brown’s decision that changed the words “limit on marriage” to “eliminates right of same-sex couples to marry” in Prop 8′s title. While the modification is much clearer as to the initiative’s true intent, ADF Senior Counsel Joseph Infranco seemed to realize that such clearly worded language would turn off moderate voters. By arguing that “election ballot titles should be neutral and not intentionally prejudice voters,” while at the same time advocating for vaguer language, Infranco perhaps revealed his own suspicion that Prop 8 must be misrepresented in order to pass. However, the court denied the appeal, affirming Brown’s new wording.


And there is a reason for their desire to make the language as vague as possible:

The authors just don’t believe that same-sex marriage is wrong, they believe that it leads to “polygamy, endogamy(the marriage of blood relatives), bestiality and child marriage,” comments by the way that Stam himself made during the legislative debate last year.

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Reply Breaking: North Carolina Passes Amendment to Ban Gay Marriage (Original post)
Hissyspit May 2012 OP
dejo1957 May 2012 #1
PFunk May 2012 #3
dejo1957 May 2012 #7
JoePhilly May 2012 #15
Fearless May 2012 #20
yardwork May 2012 #28
A wise Man May 2012 #69
Ruby the Liberal May 2012 #76
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rexcat May 2012 #73
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yardwork May 2012 #84
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Change has come May 2012 #40
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Response to dejo1957 (Reply #1)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:24 PM

3. Then he better take the lead and find a way of bring blacks to favor gay marrage before november

Because by doing it 'his way', i.e. catering to one group (blacks) over the other (gays) he loses support from the other and drive a big wedge between blacks & gays in the democratic party that may take years to repair (not good).

Which is want the republicans want

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Response to dejo1957 (Reply #7)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:42 PM

15. If you 2 think you are not transparent, you are pretty dumb.

Go back to free republic.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #15)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:54 PM

20. Alerted with TOS. n/t

Poster has been PPRed.

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Response to PFunk (Reply #3)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:11 PM

28. Many black leaders and churches came out against the amendment.

Urban areas voted against the amendment. It was rural, white, Protestant voters who passed this amendment.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #28)

Wed May 9, 2012, 10:59 AM

69. wrong wrong wrong

 

Black churches does not support Gay marriages. They use common sense not political judgements or favortism.

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Response to A wise Man (Reply #69)

Wed May 9, 2012, 02:41 PM

76. Wait - what?

Black churches use "common sense" not "political judgments or favoritism".

What in blue blazes is that supposed to mean?

Edit - nevermind. Thanks Skinner.

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Response to dejo1957 (Reply #1)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:24 PM

4. Whoof. Bold claim.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #4)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:28 PM

8. It may be bold but from what I'm seeing around my 'hood it's starting to happen.

as of right now the repugs have a perfect issue to hit the dems with unless something is done to change that.

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Response to dejo1957 (Reply #1)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:25 PM

5. Issues

 

I have issues buying that.
Why would one minority group that had to fight for their own rights begrudge another minority group of equal rights? I get the whole Christian thing, but then why be Democratic? Abortion supporting liberals and all?

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Response to Crow73 (Reply #5)

Wed May 9, 2012, 01:17 PM

73. The same thing happened in Ohio in '04...

the black communities around Ohio voted overwhelmingly to adopt the constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage in Ohio. The black community, along with the republican party overwhelmingly passed the amendment. It has been well documented that the black community does not support gay rights. It is too bad but that is the way it is.

I don't know how to frame this issue so that the black community will reevaluate their position. Maybe there needs to be more dialog with the black community when they have issues by saying that we don't know if we can vigerously support their cause de jour because they don't support our cause de jour just as a point for the black community to think about what is important to them. I think that I can be assured that the conservatives are not going to support the black community in too many ways. That said I don't think it would be in the best interest of the liberals and progressives to abandon the black community over this issue. T

he black community needs to realize that taking away civil rights from one group is not the way to go! This is a tough issue because of the prejudices within the black community toward the GLBT community.

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Response to rexcat (Reply #73)

Wed May 9, 2012, 02:54 PM

78. In 2012 in North Carolina things were different. Black leaders opposed the amendment strongly.

The head of the state NAACP, who is also a minister, came out very strongly against the amendment. So did many other black leaders.

Fundamentalist churches were the driving force behind this amendment. The leaders of the amendment were all white. White men introduced the amendment to the state legislature. White men and women led the statewide efforts to pass it, supported by money from national anti-gay organizations that are all headed by white people.

The National Organization for Marriage - a virulently homophobic organization - has been revealed to have had a strategy for years to pit black voters against gay voters. We're on to them now. This kind of divisiveness is not going to work this time.

I know what the people who did this to me in my state look like. I know their faces. They are all white.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #78)

Wed May 9, 2012, 07:33 PM

80. Fine...

but how did the predominately black precincts vote in the state? I can't find any information on this as of this afternoon on the internet. Once this information is available then we can have a dicussion.

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Response to rexcat (Reply #80)

Thu May 10, 2012, 02:06 AM

81. They mostly vote for the amendment in rural areas

Sad to say, but true. It was probably almost as much rural as it was racial, but first analyses indicate that was a big difference vs the Obama vote in 2004.

My son will be marrying his partner in another state.

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Response to unc70 (Reply #81)

Thu May 10, 2012, 12:37 PM

82. Ohio in '04 was about same margin as seen in NC in '12...

I don't think things have changed that much as far as those who go out and vote. I saw today on MSNBC that 2/3 of blacks voted for the amendment in NC. The large metro areas where you would expect to see more liberals voted against the amendment in NC.

Eventually things will change and these laws will be overturned but I don't see anything happening in the near term. There is an initiative in Ohio this year to get the issue (repeal of the constitutional amendment) back on the ballot for the general election but they are being fought at every turn, both by the religious extremists, teabaggers and the republican party in the state. There appears to be a lot of money coming in from out of state to stifle the measure. Without the black vote it is not going to happen. Hispanics are another problem with the equal marrigae issue but they don't play a significant factor in Ohio.





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Response to rexcat (Reply #82)

Thu May 10, 2012, 02:52 PM

84. Those large metro areas have a high percentage of black voters, and they voted against the amendment

I will repeat what has been stated here - this vote broke down by rurality and being a member of a conservative church.

Overwhelming majorities of North Carolinians living in rural areas who belong to conservative churches voted for this amendment. I am certain that that will be true across all ethnicities. Yes, black people in rural areas who belong to fundamentalist churches voted for the amendment, as did their white neighbors. And yes, in urban areas where there are conservative historically black churches, we're going to see those congregations supporting the amendment. We're also going to see lots of progressive diverse congregations overwhelmingly opposed, and they phonebanked and worked against the amendment. I saw them.

Majorities or near majorities of people living in urban areas voted against the amendment.

If we had a way to look at the numbers, I would guess that near 100% of atheists and agnostics voted against the amendment, and near 100% of people belonging to fundamentalist Protestant churches and conservative Catholic dioceses voted in favor. We have relatively few Jewish, Muslim, and Hindi people in North Carolina and the vast majority of them are in urban areas and I'm going to guess that most of them are liberals who opposed.

You can go ahead and try to start trouble between gay people and black people - a la the NOM strategy - all you like, but we are not buying. I stand with my gay black brothers and sisters who don't need this kind of divisive crap.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #84)

Thu May 10, 2012, 06:07 PM

85. It does not change the fact that 2/3 blacks voted for the amendment.

and where the fuck did I say to start "crap" between the blacks and gays. Get a fucking life!!!!!!!

on edit: my POV is to challange those who are socially conservative. I will challenge anyone who will not support those who do not support same sex marriage. Bigotry and intolerance is not a value that I will support in any way.

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Response to rexcat (Reply #85)

Thu May 10, 2012, 06:21 PM

86. Drop it. There is no point in what you are doing except to divide and weaken.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #86)

Thu May 10, 2012, 06:27 PM

87. That is a two way street and your divisive attitude is appauling...

I am glad the ingnore function works on DU3.

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Response to dejo1957 (Reply #1)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:27 PM

6. No... That's not why.

He knew it was going to lose and lose pretty big. His advisors likely figure there's no point in expending political capital and become part of the story in a big loss.

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Response to dejo1957 (Reply #1)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:36 PM

12. I'm Black and I support same-sex marriage.

Also, it's probably more than just Black voters who supported the ban.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #12)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:40 PM

40. Thanks for the support!

That jackass was trying to start a fight between black people and gay people. This happens every time we lose a vote like this.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #12)

Tue May 8, 2012, 11:10 PM

46. I'm a black American, too, and a proud and unapologetic supporter of marriage equality!

I'm also from the South. We have quite a bit of work to do to get our black and brown brothers and sisters to come aboard, but I do think things are slowly changing. I tell you that Cory Booker is a HERO for what he is doing in Newark to educate black clergy on this issue.

We must do our part as well.

Note: There are people out there who will blame black Americans for the failure of the issue, but the black American population is so small. I hope that people will not scapegoat us.

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Response to Jamaal510 (Reply #12)

Wed May 9, 2012, 01:10 PM

72. +1

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Response to dejo1957 (Reply #1)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:41 PM

13. It has been shown this isn't true

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #13)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:45 PM

17. Skinner has shown dejo the door. nt

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Response to dejo1957 (Reply #1)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:41 PM

14. blacks who hold these views should be ashamed. If we had been

allowed to vote for civil rights, nothing would have changed.

This impacts single people who are together. Get ready to become a nonperson too, all of you living together out of wedlock in this state.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:24 PM

2. Not a big surprise unfortunately.

I think the county by county map tells the tale. The larger cities and college towns rejected it. Unfortunately I am in a green county.

http://www.wral.com/news/political/page/10991843/

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Response to DLine (Reply #2)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:30 PM

10. The huge Yes percentages in the rural counties prove there is still a lot bigotry in the South

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:30 PM

9. Low Information Voters who Don't Care that it was already the law

They just enjoy piling on and would vote for a hundred redundant amendments against it if they could.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:33 PM

11. Really not a surprise at all...

...You had to know North Carolina would be one of the "Well, our Pastor told us how we should vote so we're gonna follow what he says" states. (Episcopal families excused from the above statement)

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Response to richmwill (Reply #11)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:20 PM

31. This NC liberal episcopalian thanks u. nt

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:45 PM

16. The GOP knew that only its craziest members would be voting today ... and they gave them some red

meat.

This nonsense would not have passed in a real election cycle.

The GOP knew that in a low turn out primary, they could get this nonsense passed.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #16)

Wed May 9, 2012, 01:54 AM

57. Well then what's wrong with people who believe in human rights? Isn't this something

important enough for them to get off their fat asses and go out and vote? Why is it that only the bigots seem to care enough to go and and vote in elections like this? I am totally disgusted. I'll tell you what. If I were a NC voter I would have gone out to vote for human rights even if I had to crawl to the polling place on my hands and knees.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:47 PM

18. Once these people find out what they

voted for they are going to be horrified. NC already had an amendment against gay marriage. This goes deeper and uglier. This sounds like Sharia Law dba Amendment One. What I understand is that a man and a women who is not married can not live together, and insurance coverage for some children will be forfeited, and protection for domestic violence will be overturned.

Blacks thru churches have been taught they gay marriage is against the bible. Prop 8 here in Cali, the Mormom church and other religious groups poured in a hell of a lot of money and a lot of people canvassed the streets, churches, etc. Misinformed information was also spewed out orally as well as thru media and fliers.

This is what apparently have happened in NC. Hopefully a lawsuit will be filed.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #18)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:52 PM

19. You are correct. See additional material I added to OP. nt

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:56 PM

21. To our NC LGBTers... We're still with you!



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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:57 PM

22. It's not right to even have a referendum on human rights

I was hoping for a vote for tolerance, but disdain for civil rights won the day in NC.

We have a long way to go before we have full equality, but we will never give up.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #22)

Tue May 8, 2012, 09:59 PM

23. Of course not.

Court needs to overturn it.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:00 PM

24. Shrug. What are ya gonna do?

We keep on.

We don't ever go away - no matter what they do.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:03 PM

25. The AP should have titled the story "Bigotry Still Alive and Well in the US of A". nt

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:05 PM

26. Too late to change the venue for the Democratic National Convention?

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #26)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:09 PM

27. Probably.

Attendees should be encouraged to purchase as little as possible, unless the establishment is flying a rainbow flag.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #27)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:13 PM

29. Given that it's in an urban setting, I think that might be a viable option.

Good luck to the Democratic Party Power Structure in avoiding the marriage equality issue!!! LOL! Do we have a perfect storm to make the Democrats FINALLY choose a side?

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #27)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:18 PM

30. Mecklenberg County, where Charlotte is, voted against the Amendment.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #30)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:24 PM

32. Wake, Orange and Durham Counties also voted against it.

That's the Triangle (Raleigh, Chapel Hill, Durham). Where you see lots of liberal bumper stickers in the parking lots! I always love visiting that blue oasis in a sea of red.

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Response to Hissyspit (Reply #30)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:35 PM

39. Oh, that's good.

Coming as I do from the bright blue ribbon in the middle of crimson red Alabama, I can understand the frustration a small section of the state can have with the rest of the knuckleheads out there.

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Response to Bolo Boffin (Reply #39)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:16 AM

53. Thing is, it's only geographically small

Mecklenburg, Wake, Durham and Orange probably equal about 50 other counties in population. We just got decimated by the rural counties.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #26)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:26 PM

34. I wasn't even thinking about that

They absolutely need to move the convention.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #34)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:30 PM

36. Or flip the bird to the rest of NC and officially endorse marriage equality in the platform

LOL! JK... Never gonna happen with Obama POTUS.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #26)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:41 PM

41. Charlotte voted against it.

Just don't buy anything on the way to the convention if you are driving, until you get to Mecklenburg County where Charlotte is.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:26 PM

33. .

I'll be banned if I say that. But this is all coming from one single source, and its totem is a method of execution.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:27 PM

35. Stupid dimwits - all they saw was the word

gay and didn't bother reading anything else.

Now they have gone against everyone who is living together - their rights no longer exist.

All because some silly, small minded people are so insecure in their sex and love lives they want to stop others from enjoying themselves.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:31 PM

37. Tonight I am ashamed to live in NC

we are a state of bigots, religious nut jobs, sheet wearing goose steppers and hate mongers.....

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #37)

Wed May 9, 2012, 03:57 AM

61. I feel for you. I felt the same way after OR banned same sex marriage.

Happened in the '04 election. It took three more years to get a civil unions bill through the legislature.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:34 PM

38. My county (Buncombe) voted against

But that is little comfort right now. When I saw Billy Graham's horrible full-page ad on Sunday I knew we were doomed.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:42 PM

42. Not surprising from a state that seceded from the Union

so they could fight a war to own other people. Bigotry is in the water there, I suppose.

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Response to _ed_ (Reply #42)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:31 AM

55. That would be South Carolina

North Carolina only seceded after Fort Sumter, and was the second to the last state to do so. We had 50% turnout here in Durham, which is pretty good for a primary, considering the president is unopposed. We just got trounced in the rural counties.

There is bigotry here, but it's not in the water, not by a long shot. I have hated those George Wallace/Strom Thurmond/Jesse Helms sons of bitches my entire life, and so has everyone in my family, except for my aunt who married a Republican.

At any rate, bigotry doesn't flow from the faucet so much as the pulpit. We'll have to work our asses off again to turn NC blue again.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:46 PM

43. Sigh

Even my own county voted for it by 77%. I knew that Richmond County was homophobic, but I honestly hoped it wasn't quite THAT homophobic. Now I know exactly why I had such a hard time when I used to bother to try to make friends in this shithole of a county.

Thank God for the internet and DU. At least here (online), I can meet (virtual meet online) other North Carolinians who don't hate my kind.

Fuck, I feel SO thoroughly hated by the majority NC right about now.

Thank you to everyone who voted against it. It's good to know that not ALL of NC is full of homophobes.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #43)

Tue May 8, 2012, 11:09 PM

45. You are loved and valued here on DU. You are among friends.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #43)

Tue May 8, 2012, 11:16 PM

47. Sorry Jama...

That sucks.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #43)

Tue May 8, 2012, 11:43 PM

50. Just remember that you have...

At last count... 828000 voters who voted against the measure. And many of these people were straight no doubt. There are good, loving, people in North Carolina and they and all of us are still going to fight for you!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 10:48 PM

44. The reason

Summed up very nicely ....
"they believe that it leads to “polygamy, endogamy(the marriage of blood relatives), bestiality and child marriage,”

This is the rabid RW at its worst....

What's next they will claim a slippery slope exists in the abortion debate because mothers are killing their children after they are born?

Convince enough people that afterbirth aborition is being championed by "Progressives" and the idiots that believe it will vote against pro choice ammendments and ask the SCOTUS to overturn Roe...

The problem IMHO is that the President is not out explaining in detailed form and championing a pro gay marriage position... He is way to vague on the issue and that allows the right to make it a wedge issue.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 11:24 PM

48. Fuckity fuck fuck fuck!

I want to apologize to my LGBTQ brothers and sisters for my idiot state tonight.

I've been gone all night. First chance I've had to see the election returns.

It's going to be an uphill fight. But we will get there. We need a federal law.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 11:38 PM

49. This isn't over, not by a long shot.

We will get this repealed. Either on a state level or a federal one. It's not right that civil rights is up for a vote. It's not right that people put banning gay marriage before healthcare, the strength of domestic violence laws, etc. We have to fight every inch of this amendment. I do mean all of it.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Tue May 8, 2012, 11:56 PM

51. Breaking: North Carolina Passes Amendment to Ban Civil Rights

As expected. But sad and pointless in the long run. The tide is turning for us all.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:08 AM

52. Won't it be overturned due to its unconstitutionality, though?

I mean, it happened with Prop. 8, what's stopping Amendment 1 from suffering the same fate?

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Response to Marksman_91 (Reply #52)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:24 AM

54. In time perhaps...

I don't think we know the particulars of it yet and how it will progress forward. Soon enough we'll know a better timeline for that I suspect. All I know is that where there's a will, there's a way. And we have will!

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Response to Marksman_91 (Reply #52)

Wed May 9, 2012, 01:58 AM

58. It might but remember that 30 sates have voted to ban gay marriage and in very few cases have those

votes been overturned by the courts. Of course Prop Hate in California has been tentatively overturned but that's the exception not the rule.

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Response to Marksman_91 (Reply #52)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:46 PM

71. No, because it isn't like prop 8

What got Prop 8 overturned is some gay couples got married while it was legal, and Prop 8 did not dissolve those marriages. So you had a problem where some gay couples could (and were) marry, and others could not. That's unequal protection and thus unconstitutional.

Gay marriage has never been legal in NC, so it can't be overturned like Prop 8.

There's two ways this will be reversed:
1) A sufficiently large percentage of NC's residents pull their heads out of their asses and change their mind.
2) Gay marriage becomes legal in a sufficient number of other states, so unequal protection can be used to overturn it. This is how interracial marriage became legal in NC, stripping the relevant amendment from the NC constitution.

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Response to Marksman_91 (Reply #52)

Wed May 9, 2012, 02:56 PM

79. This is an amendment to the constitution. Very different from Prop 8, which was a referendum.

North Carolina has now changed their constitution to specifically outlaw not only marriage for gay people, but any kind of domestic union or civil union that is not a marriage between a man and woman. The impact could be far-reaching, and overturning it will be very difficult. It would require a 4/5 majority in the state legislature and then a popular vote. Much more difficult to overturn than it was to pass.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:39 AM

56. At least one person in conservative Johnston county voted against it....

...This guy!

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Response to DLine (Reply #56)

Wed May 9, 2012, 08:34 AM

65. I'm in Person County, and I feel your pain.

My county voted for it by 72%. Extremely fundie. I keep to myself here.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 01:59 AM

59. I am not at all surprised.

Yeah for "state's rights" in regards to civil rights!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 02:29 AM

60. I wonder how many men in the rural counties who voted for Am. 1 hump goats in their spare time.

That's gotta be hypocritical. Really, I've read stories about rural men who've been arrested for bestiality with cattle. Remember when Rick Santorum predicted that gay marriage would lead to bestiality and pedophilia? Well, those things already happen even in the more homophobic places in the country.

Similarly, 4 years ago in my state, this kind of amendment was put before voters (Proposition 8).



The "yes" voting counties are light blue, "no" dark blue. Notice how the yes counties are the rural ones and the no counties are usually some coastal counties and the San Francisco Bay Area (San Francisco city has a notable gay community).

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 04:31 AM

62. Before, black men couldn't transport white women over state lines for "lewd and indecent reasons"

due to the Mann Act.

Then all anti-miscegenation laws had to be overturned due to Loving v. Virginia.

Now homosexuals are getting their turn at the discrimination wheel.

I wonder where in the Bible it says Jesus hates all minorities?

For those in NC who voted for homosexual marriage, you deserve all the praise. The rest of you neanderthals needs to slither back up that rock and wait for your "intelligent design" to actually make you intelligent.

Troglodytes, all of them.

Evantually, my gay brothers and sisters, you will be treated equally. Don't lost faith.

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Response to Suji to Seoul (Reply #62)

Thu May 10, 2012, 07:01 PM

88. Probably the most famous Mann Act proscution was black boxing champ Jack Johnson; however,

the law itself is race neutral. It has been used effectively used against men exploiting underage women.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mann_Act

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 04:45 AM

63. Ignorance is bliss.

Those who voted for this must be downright ecstatic -- for now.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 05:56 AM

64. Yeah, that old Christian hatred is still alive and well in NC! Home of Virginia Foxx!

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Response to dmosh42 (Reply #64)

Wed May 9, 2012, 10:44 AM

68. Hey that's my congressional idiot!

oh yeah that's my house idiot. Foxx is a disgrace and my district can't get rid of her. How shameful for NC to vote this way! Bumbed out in one of those green countries that voted for this abortion. Civil Rights in NC takes a step back once again.

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Response to CRK7376 (Reply #68)

Wed May 9, 2012, 02:48 PM

77. Yeah, know what you mean. I was in her district, now in sixth with numby Coble!

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 09:36 AM

66. my sympathy to those those in North Carolina forced to live with this bigoted

decision and hope that my state does not pass a similar measure that will be on the ballot in 2012, but at least here in MN the Governor and Democratic party is vocally against it

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Minnesota_Same-Sex_Marriage_Amendment_%282012%29

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 10:39 AM

67. Upsetting but it was expected...

... we still have a long way to go.

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 12:33 PM

70. ...




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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 01:17 PM

74. I guess my only real surprise is that NC at least pretended to debate the topic...

In Virginia, the same-sex marraige constitutional ban got slammed through (2006?) with very little resistance or attention...

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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Wed May 9, 2012, 01:18 PM

75. Guilford only passed it by 68 votes, 50/50 percentages; Forsyth 53/47

Was not surprised by the lopsided anti- margins in Orange and Durham counties. But some of the outlying Triangle area counties like Johnston were very strongly pro-amendment. Greensboro and Winston-Salem were anti- within the city limits, with white suburbanites in the outer parts of Guilford and Forsyth giving a slight margin to the pro faction. Likewise in Charlotte, Mecklenburg's slight anti- margin reflects a much higher percentage within the city limits, diluted by suburban parts of the county.



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Response to Hissyspit (Original post)

Thu May 10, 2012, 01:27 PM

83. Apparently they also banned civil unions and domestic partnerships for straight couples as well

 

oops, maybe should have read what you voted on.

Heh.

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