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Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:47 AM

House to prohibit IRS from implementing healthcare law

The House as early as next week will pass legislation prohibiting the IRS from receiving any money from the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to implement the 2010 healthcare reform law.

Passage of the financial services spending bill is especially timely in light of last week's Supreme Court ruling that penalties the government can impose under the law against people who refuse to buy health insurance can be seen as a tax, because it is enforced like a tax.

That finding allowed the individual mandate to stand, and Republicans have already started reorienting their attacks against the law based on the knowledge that it only remains in place because it is an allowable tax.

The bill would have to get through the Senate and be signed by President Obama to become law.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/235905-house-gop-looks-to-starve-irs-of-funds-to-implement-healthcare-law

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Reply House to prohibit IRS from implementing healthcare law (Original post)
cynatnite Jul 2012 OP
nobodyspecial Jul 2012 #1
BumRushDaShow Jul 2012 #2
d06204 Jul 2012 #54
RC Jul 2012 #3
obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #4
tjwash Jul 2012 #5
klook Jul 2012 #41
elbloggoZY27 Jul 2012 #56
TBF Jul 2012 #6
elbloggoZY27 Jul 2012 #57
yellowcanine Jul 2012 #7
JustAnotherGen Jul 2012 #8
NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #9
freshwest Jul 2012 #16
Raine1967 Jul 2012 #17
joshcryer Jul 2012 #42
Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2012 #47
NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #48
Laura PourMeADrink Jul 2012 #49
bemildred Jul 2012 #10
hifiguy Jul 2012 #29
sinkingfeeling Jul 2012 #11
flamingdem Jul 2012 #12
nxylas Jul 2012 #46
HopeHoops Jul 2012 #13
truebrit71 Jul 2012 #14
Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #15
sadbear Jul 2012 #18
Swede Atlanta Jul 2012 #19
white_wolf Jul 2012 #20
AtomicKitten Jul 2012 #21
Responsible Jul 2012 #22
LynneSin Jul 2012 #25
Responsible Jul 2012 #27
2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #30
pinto Jul 2012 #31
LynneSin Jul 2012 #32
cyberswede Jul 2012 #28
Responsible Jul 2012 #33
uppityperson Jul 2012 #34
cyberswede Jul 2012 #36
tanyev Jul 2012 #45
LynneSin Jul 2012 #23
Comrade Grumpy Jul 2012 #24
EC Jul 2012 #26
Woody Woodpecker Jul 2012 #35
nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #37
Motown_Johnny Jul 2012 #38
6000eliot Jul 2012 #39
enki23 Jul 2012 #40
evilhime Jul 2012 #43
magic59 Jul 2012 #44
spanone Jul 2012 #50
kestrel91316 Jul 2012 #51
benld74 Jul 2012 #52
elbloggoZY27 Jul 2012 #53
Aerows Jul 2012 #55

Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:50 AM

1. "The bill would have to get through the Senate and be signed by President Obama to become law."

IOW, the exercise is meaningless and the House is continuing to waste taxpayer money grandstandiing instead of addressing real problems with real solutions. How does this help the economy recover? How does this help create JOBS! I think Dems really need to hit this point HARD.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:53 AM

2. "The bill would have to get through the Senate..."

"...and be signed by President Obama to become law."

Thus negating the tabloid headlines and "reporting" from the media who push this crap as a done deal.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 01:49 PM

54. Agree 100%

Headline should have said, "House set to pass meaningless BS, again!"

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:55 AM

3. This should leave the Republicans wide open and basically defenseless, if only the Democrats had a

 

spine.

It is the campaign season. Use it!

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:56 AM

4. A waste of taxpayers' money and Congress' time

Sickening.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:57 AM

5. grandstanding...not jobs. the republican amurka

I think I'll make that a bumpersticker

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Response to tjwash (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 10:56 PM

41. Grandstanding Away Our Grandchildren's Future (n/t)

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Response to tjwash (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 01:51 PM

56. GOP AGENDA

 

Attacking the President and doing nothing about job creation and rebuilding the infrastructure of this Country. Grandstanding is about right. The GOP is the Party of NO.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:57 AM

6. The House should be busy passing Obama's Job bills so folks

can pay for their health care. What is wrong with these idiots?

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Response to TBF (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 01:59 PM

57. Job creation !!!!

 

Unfortunately the GOP AGENDA is extremely against anything the Democrats or President wants for our Country. I am really aghast at the things that they say.

The reason that nothing is passed in Congress is that the GOP will vote anything progressive down. The recent economy is nothing but obstructionism from the RIGHT.


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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:26 AM

7. Another windmill tilt for Boner man. What about the jobs, Johnnie?

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:27 AM

8. Worthless

Arrogant and worthless - every single one of those House Republicans and YES - and Democratic members that vote for this.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:28 AM

9. I said this is what is really bugging these GOP pricks about ACA

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Response to NNN0LHI (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 10:36 AM

16. Devastating anecdote, that one. Fits the conservatives don't have principles, only interests.

As long as they are enriched, screw the rest of the world any way they can.

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Response to NNN0LHI (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 10:41 AM

17. Wow, I wasn't aware of that

I agree, there are a lot of people that don't like a light to be shed upon shenanigans. I missed this thread yesterday, thanks for posting it here.

(excuse me for a moment, I have a K&R to make)

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Response to NNN0LHI (Reply #9)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 11:18 PM

42. Thanks for posting that, I went and kicked it.

Excellent post.

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Response to NNN0LHI (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 09:18 AM

47. Maybe I need more coffee...but not totally getting this. Does an

average employee have any idea how much healthcare costs? For a whole year, even
modest employer contributions would look like a lot. Or, are you saying that
the undercover perks are so rampant, that there will be companies showing very little
net cost expended, which will be totally obvious to all?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #47)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 09:47 AM

48. The second option

The carpenters who worked for my father in-law thought my FIL was the greatest guy in the world. They worshipped the ground he walked on. They all wanted to be pallbearers at his funeral. He told them that any increases in their health care costs and their coverage getting crappier was entirely the Democrats or the insurance companies fault. And they believed him because they trusted him. They had no other choice but to trust him back then because they had no way to check.

If all along his employees were able to actually see what their insurance premiums cost minus the perks my FIL was recieving on their W-2 this scam would have never worked.

In other words if he told them he was going to have to deduct $12,000 a year from their weekly paychecks for their crappy insurance and then they received their W-2 forms at the end of the year and discovered that minus the perks my FIL received their premiums would have in fact cost only $6,000 per year they would have noticed that discrepancy. They would have questioned why he was charging them $12,000 a year for something he was only paying $6,000 per year for.

Did I explain that well enough?

Don

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Response to NNN0LHI (Reply #48)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 11:51 AM

49. Oh. I think I get it. You are saying the W2 has to have the FULL cost - perks. This is different

than them having to show what they contributed, which is what I thought you meant. In your
example, the total cost would be $18k. that is the way I was looking at it.

so, that is very interesting.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:48 AM

10. It's like a little yappy dog chewing on your ankle. nt

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Response to bemildred (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 04:15 PM

29. Naah. The repukes are more like a rabid weasel

charging up your pants leg. Yappy dogs you can shoo away.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:51 AM

11. The title should be"House Determined to Waste More Time on Nonsense

It Knows Will Never Clear the Senate".

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:51 AM

12. The more they do stupid things like this

.. the better. As long as it's presented honestly in the MSM..

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 09:00 AM

46. Yeah, that'll happen

Telling the truth about GOP obstructionism would lack "balance".

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 10:31 AM

13. Don't they have something USEFUL to do?

 

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 10:33 AM

14. A bill that'll be dead as soon as it passes..how does this create jobs exactly?

Bunch of grandstanding ignorant ass-carrot fucktards...

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 10:34 AM

15. Speaker Boehner "where are the jobs"?

quit wasting time and get to work.!

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 10:44 AM

18. Maybe it's better this way

Do we really want teabaggers and republicans to actually try to do something about the economy and jobs? You know, they could seriously fuck it up more than it is now.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 12:40 PM

19. The Repukkkes in the House are wasting our money...

 

I suggest we furlough them and outsource their jobs. They waste taxpayer time and money passing a law to repeal the ACA, now trying to defund it, etc. They continue to introduce and pass legislation about abortions, taking away women's rights, obstructing progress on gay civil rights, etc. And we pay them to do this crap?

This bill has no chance of going anywhere. This is just theatrics for their tea-bagging, knuckle-dragging, no-fork-family-tree, sibling-marrying base.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 12:51 PM

20. Don't they have puppies to kick? nt

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 12:57 PM

21. It's kabuki theater. They know it will never pass the Senate.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 03:20 PM

22. Can we really afford this?

 

I'm new to this forum and an independent. Does anyone know if the country can actually afford this? If so how?

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Response to Responsible (Reply #22)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 03:25 PM

25. Have you read anything about the bill

Do you know how much we are saving just by some of the plans implemented with younger kids being allowed to stay on their parents plans and medicare prescription plan finally being fixed?



Who do you think pays for emergency room visits from uninsured Americans who wait too long to get treatment? That Medicare prescription plan that George Bush created was a nightmare - he didn't allow for negotiations for pricing from the pharmaceutical companies and that donut hole meant that seniors were forced to either pay for their full price prescriptions or go without and hope for the best.

We can't afford to not do something about healthcare!

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Response to LynneSin (Reply #25)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 03:50 PM

27. Chart

 

Looks like a lot of savings. Have to admit it's hard to trust whomever wrote it though. For example "Cracking down on fraud and abuse etc......", shouldn't they be doing that anyways? I also heard that only 1% are taking advantage of that under 26 rule. Maybe it's a good thing though. Don't know I guess. Just never seen a government program not get bogged down with bureaucracy and not hit projections. I'm actually happy with my insurance plan I have now but won't this make my insurance rates go up and or force some companies to go out of business since they can't deny people even if they have prior health problems?

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Response to Responsible (Reply #27)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 04:16 PM

30. I see you're concerned.

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Response to Responsible (Reply #27)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 04:18 PM

31. See also - Medicare Beneficiary Savings and the Affordable Care Act (HealthCare.gov)

http://www.healthcare.gov/law/resources/reports/affordablecareact.html

Summary

The Affordable Care Act makes many changes to strengthen Medicare and provide stronger benefits to seniors, while slowing cost growth. As a result, average Medicare beneficiary savings in traditional Medicare will be approximately $3,500 over the next ten years. Beneficiaries who have high prescription drug spending will save much more – as much as $12,300 over the next 10 years. In comparison, Medicare beneficiaries with low drug costs will save an average of $2,400 over 10 years.

This report provides estimates of savings from the Affordable Care Act to seniors and people living with disabilities enrolled in traditional Medicare. The Affordable Care Act will favorably affect beneficiary expenditures in four ways. First, premiums for Part B physician and certain other services are expected to increase at a slower rate than would have occurred without the Affordable Care Act, resulting in lower Part B premiums over time. Second, beneficiary copayments and coinsurance under Part A and B will increase more slowly because the Affordable Care Act slows the rate of growth in payments to hospitals and other providers. Third, closing the Medicare prescription drug coverage gap, often called the “donut hole,” will lower costs for beneficiaries who otherwise would have been required to spend thousands of dollars out of their own pocket for their prescription drugs. Finally, the Affordable Care Act will provide many preventive services to seniors at no additional cost.

The Affordable Care Act will save approximately $500 billion over the next ten years through reduction in extra subsidies paid to Medicare Advantage plans, reductions in the rate of growth in provider payments, and efforts to make the Medicare program more efficient and to reduce waste, fraud and abuse. These reductions will lead to corresponding savings for beneficiaries through lower copayments and premiums. A slower rate of growth in Medicare is expected to result in a slower rate of growth in beneficiary out-of-pocket payments, and a slower rate of growth in Part B premiums. In addition, the closing of the donut hole will result in large savings for beneficiaries with high levels of prescription drug spending.

more detailed data at link ~ pinto

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Response to Responsible (Reply #27)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 07:22 PM

32. I know about 6-7 kids taking advantage of it

and that's not including about 4-5 GOP members in DC who are covering their kids.

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Response to Responsible (Reply #22)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 04:12 PM

28. The CBO says it will lower the deficit.

(That is, the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#CBO_deficit_reduction_estimates

The 2011 comprehensive CBO estimate projected a net deficit reduction of more than $200 billion during the period 2012–2021. CBO estimated in March 2011 that for the 2012–2021 period, the law would result in net receipts of $813 billion, offset by $604 billion in outlays, resulting in a $210 billion reduction in the deficit.

As of the bill's passage into law in 2010, CBO estimated the legislation would reduce the deficit by $143 billion over the first decade, but half of that was due to expected premiums for the C.L.A.S.S. Act, which has since been abandoned. Although the CBO generally does not provide cost estimates beyond the 10-year budget projection period (because of the great degree of uncertainty involved in the data) it decided to do so in this case at the request of lawmakers, and estimated a second decade deficit reduction of $1.2 trillion. CBO predicted deficit reduction around a broad range of one-half percent of GDP over the 2020s while cautioning that "a wide range of changes could occur".

CBO also initially stated that the bill would "substantially reduce the growth of Medicare's payment rates for most services; impose an excise tax on insurance plans with relatively high premiums; and make various other changes to the federal tax code, Medicare, Medicaid, and other programs;" A commonly heard criticism of the CBO cost estimates is that CBO was required to exclude from its initial estimates the effects of likely "doc fix" legislation that would increase Medicare payments by more than $200 billion from 2010 to 2019; however, the "doc fix" remains a separate piece of legislation. Subject to the same exclusion, the CBO initially estimated the federal government's share of the cost during the first decade at $940 billion, $923 billion of which takes place during the final six years (2014–2019) when the spending kicks in; with revenue exceeding spending during these six years.

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Response to cyberswede (Reply #28)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 07:50 PM

33. Premiums

 

That's a lot of big estimates over a long period of time. So I'm 43 and healthy. What are the chances that my premiums will go up or down because of this?

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Response to Responsible (Reply #33)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:13 PM

34. What is your income as some premiums are impacted by income?

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Response to Responsible (Reply #33)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:25 PM

36. I suppose you'd have to ask your provider



And don't forget about this provision that kicks in now:

"The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act has a provision that insurance companies working with “large employers” (over 50 employees) must submit proof to legislators that 85% of the premium paid to them by employers is being spent on claims for their members. If less than this was paid, a rebate would be owed to employers and employees." (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002895194)


If you don't have a provider, here's a calculator:
http://healthreform.kff.org/SubsidyCalculator.aspx

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Response to Responsible (Reply #22)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 08:53 AM

45. We can't afford not to do it.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 03:21 PM

23. Hey House - how about voting on some JOB bills

instead of this (*#%ing grandstanding!

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 03:22 PM

24. Do those House Republicans ever actually do anything for the country?

It seems like they waste a lot of time passing shit they know isn't going anywhere.

We need to sweep them away in November.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 03:29 PM

26. Why don't these fools do something useful?

All they are doing now is passing things that will just sit, just so they can go home and say "well we passed (fill in blank) and the Senate didn't do jack with it". I'm not sure how that'll play this year, since many repubs aren't behind many of the things they are passing, just the extremists of the party.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:18 PM

35. Since when does House get to control something that has passed already

 

and probably will be unfunded thanks to the House Republicans.

More reason to throw these Teabaglicans out this November!

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:25 PM

37. They realize that while they got the purse

this would have to be done at the Senate and then by the President, unless somehow, they got veto

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:28 PM

38. Theater, posts #1 and #2 were enough to answer this

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 08:28 PM

39. Why don't they stop all this horseshit and, I don't know,

DO SOMETHING REAL!

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 09:32 PM

40. stupid showmanship. "we really want more people to die, but the mean black guy won't let us"

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Tue Jul 3, 2012, 11:52 PM

43. I just don't get it

Where are the jobs bills? Where are the economic incentives? Why are the Rethugs only interested in transvaginal probes and limiting peoples' access to healthcare? I thought freedom of life as guaranteed by the constitution would necessitate the ability to get healthcare . . .no?

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 01:29 AM

44. More worthless games by the do nothing house

 

wasting taxpayers money. I hope Americans get off their prescription drugs and sports addictions long enough to vote these T-bagging terrorist out of office.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 12:01 PM

50. the house can do nothing on it's own.

and that's pretty much what this house has done....nothing.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 01:11 PM

51. Why is the House wasting time, energy, and money on this crap?

It's going nowhere.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 01:15 PM

52. More BS Bills from the GOP Boys in the House,,,,,

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 01:47 PM

53. The Do Nothing GOP

 

I find it unbelievable that the GOP is working hard to stop health care for those uninsured. These lovely folks have health care when they become Senators and Congressmen yet they do not want some 20 million uninsured citizens the same.

These men and women are not in Washington to help a single citizen unless they just maybe Zillionairs.

There real Agenda is to attack our President and Mr Holder and that's the GOP Agenda. No health care for those in need and no tax increases for the yacht or private jet owners.

Yes sir vote for the GOP and what you see and hear is what you will get. A LOT OF NOTHING.

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Response to cynatnite (Original post)

Wed Jul 4, 2012, 01:51 PM

55. Another waste of time by Speaker Boehner

This will NEVER pass the Senate or a Veto. He's just wasting taxpayer money and time by pushing it forward.

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