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Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:28 PM

OMFG!! he got forced back to Germany!!!

I can not talk about it but I wanted to warn you so you know what is really happening. I am serious though I can not talk about it. I will be on to talk about other things but not this. THIS IS SIMPLY A WARNING!!

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Reply OMFG!! he got forced back to Germany!!! (Original post)
Doreen Feb 17 OP
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citizen blues Feb 17 #160
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Doreen Feb 17 #43
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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:28 PM

1. Thank you

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:29 PM

2. What is the context?

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #6)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:19 PM

28. Thank you for reposting I have no clue how to do that.

Do not try to explain how to do it because i am in no way computer savvy but again thanks.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:32 PM

4. OMG, this is insanity! Incredible! n/t

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:33 PM

5. Your boyfriend was expelled?

Jesus Christ! Sorry you are going through this. Dolt45 strikes again! This time closer to home.

Where do uncaptured mouse clicks go?

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:36 PM

7. Who and WTF are you talking about?

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Response to progressoid (Reply #22)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:16 PM

26. Thank you for reposting that for me because I have no clue how to

do that. I can not really talk about it in detail because it is not safe.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:35 PM

49. I thought they let him go??? When did it change?

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Response to NotThisTime (Reply #49)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:40 PM

58. We thought they had to. It changed a midnight.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:57 PM

131. Why is it not safe to talk about?

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Response to Doreen (Reply #26)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:42 PM

162. Go to the original post and right click on the url.

Hit copy and then paste the address in the post.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:37 PM

8. WTF

Holy shit the brown shirts are here

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:41 PM

9. "Oh but he is just doing what Obama did!"

I see the apologists saying this on the media all the time. Clearly things are vastly different now. I am very sorry to hear about this, it is a travesty.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:13 PM

25. Thank you.

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Response to n2doc (Reply #9)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:42 PM

113. I see that too and it makes me laugh

because now they are giving that Muslim ISIS creator credit for protecting us by deporting the bad guys?

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Response to treestar (Reply #113)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:44 PM

117. Oh they don't think that far

They only want Democrats to be quiet.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:42 PM

10. He should be able to beat it

especially if he hires a lawyer.

I was born in India. My mother was Anglo-Indian and my father, an American, was an officer in the US Army. I've been an American citizen since birth, just like your boyfriend must be. I dare ICE to come for me, the emeffers. Please keep us informed on how everything works out for your boyfriend, okay?

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Response to frogmarch (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:12 PM

24. His mother was a German citizen his father U.S military. He was born in Germany. Thank you.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:25 PM

33. Was his father an American citizen or not? If he was, your friend is American.

And it seems very, very strange for an American citizen to be getting deported.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:27 PM

35. Yes, his father was American citizen in U.S military.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #35)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:28 PM

38. Then it is beyond strange your friend is getting deported. This isn't even close to being a question

Birth to U.S. Citizen Parents ("Acquisition") In many circumstances, even though a child is born outside the United States, if at least one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth, the child automatically "acquires" citizenship.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:44 PM

60. I agree.

He is an American citizen and not subject to deportation. The only way he would be deported is if he officially renounced his American citizenship or he wasn't ever a US citizen.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:49 PM

63. McCain was also born outside of the U.S. If there

really is an issue then you get yourself an immigration lawyer

I edited this post because I incorrectly inferred that Hawaii wasn't a state. IT WAS. What I meant was that as long as one of the parents was a U.S. citizen, you are a U.S. citizen even if you are not born in the U.S. Under section 301 of the immigration and nationality act

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Response to still_one (Reply #63)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:04 PM

70. Not Immigration. Civil Rights.

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Response to still_one (Reply #63)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:06 PM

72. The hell you say abt Pres Obama?

Pres Obama was born to a US citizen mother in Hawaii which was either a US state or territory.

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Response to TheDebbieDee (Reply #72)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:13 PM

86. absolutely correct. Hawaii was a state then. I will edit and correct, but

regardless, he would have still been regarded as an US citizen because of his mother.

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Response to still_one (Reply #63)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:07 PM

74. Obama was born in Hawaii!

Hawaii became a state in 1959. Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961. He is a natural born citizen.

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Response to Stonepounder (Reply #74)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:15 PM

91. I know that, I stated it incorrectly, and will edit. What I meant was that even

if that wasn't the case, because of his mother, President Obama was a US Citizen

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Response to still_one (Reply #91)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 12:46 AM

174. No, Obama's mother could not have passed citizenship to her son.

IF Obama had indeed been born in Kenya, which he most assuredly was not, then he would not have been a U.S. citizen. Under the law then in effect, there were certain residency requirements for the U.S. citizen parent, requirements that Obama's mother did not meet.

As for the OP's boyfriend, whether he was a U.S. citizen at birth would depend on when he was born. The law as to foreign-born children of U.S. citizens has changed over the years, so it's not enough to say that a child born today under his circumstances would be a citizen.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #174)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 02:01 AM

179. Thanks for the information. I misinterpreted the link below

https://www.uscis.gov/policymanual/HTML/PolicyManual-Volume12-PartH-Chapter3.html

and as you pointed out, things have changed.

As mentioned President Obama was born in Hawaii, so this issue isn't applicable to him.



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Response to still_one (Reply #179)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 04:29 AM

180. Not your fault; that page you linked is confusing.

For people born abroad to one citizen parent and one noncitizen parent (like Ted Cruz), the key date is November 14, 1986. People born on or after that date are subject to more lenient requirements for automatic citizenship. The USCIS page doesn't even mention that difference. The page appears to be geared solely toward stating the law as to current births, without considering that some people (such as people who despise Ted Cruz) might be looking at it with reference to earlier births.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #180)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 04:33 AM

181. Well, we are fortunate to have knowledgeable folks like you here

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Response to still_one (Reply #181)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 05:04 AM

182. Thanks! Alas, my knowledge is that Ted Cruz is almost certainly eligible to be President. :(

Cruz is only 46. He'll probably make another run, and this question will arise again.

Meanwhile, our subthread has drifted somewhat from the topic of the OP. I join the other DUers in extending best wishes to Doreen, with the hope that she and her boyfriend will come to a good result from all this.

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Response to still_one (Reply #63)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:08 PM

76. Um, Obama was not born outside the US, McCain was. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #76)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:16 PM

93. My post was wrong, and I will edit accordingly. I know Hawaii was a state

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Response to still_one (Reply #63)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:10 PM

80. I think you mean Ted Cruz. n/t

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Response to christx30 (Reply #80)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:17 PM

95. I know Hawaii was a state, and yes he was born in Hawaii. I will edit

and yes, Cruz falls right into that category, but under section 301 of the immigration and nationality act he is a citizen

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:25 PM

101. Just like John McCain

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #38)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:38 PM

160. Which is the ONLY reason Ted Cruz was allowed to run for president.

He was born in Canada, but has one American parent. Hence, he was born an American citizen.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:27 PM

36. Agreed

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #33)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:37 PM

159. If his father is U.S. Military, then he is a citizen!

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Response to Doreen (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:28 PM

37. If his father was stationed in West Germany

He's an American Citizen. Full Stop.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #37)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:30 PM

43. Yes, but "they" do not care.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:34 PM

48. 'Who'

ICE? Seriously - you need to reach out to a group like vote vets .org or even better - John McCain.

What you are talking about is removing just on a lark an American citizen.

Full stop - he's an American citizen. This isn't an issue for an Immigration attorney - this is an issue for a Civil Rights attorney.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #48)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:36 PM

52. Yes ICE. Unless my boyfriend gives me permission I can not do anything.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #43)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:16 PM

94. Doreen, I think you mentioned in an earlier thread that he did not obtain U S. citizenship

until age 15, after his father died. That seems quite irregular, given that his dad was military. My sister was born in Germany while my dad was stationed there and there was never any problem. Was there any complicating factor, e.g. were his parents unmarried at the time of his birth, or subsequently divorced? I don't understand why he was not considered by the U.S to have been a citizen from birth.

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Response to Tanuki (Reply #94)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:27 PM

102. something is not right. My daughter was born in Germany while I was stationed there in the USAF

She has had no problem with any citizenship issue to include getting passports. We were under the impression that she would be a dual-citizen having been born in Germany - but that turned out not to be the case. Divorce should not be an issue. Not sure about the parents if unmarried - but would think the birth certificate would resolve any issue.

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Response to DrDan (Reply #102)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:32 PM

105. She shouldn't have any problem

As matter of fact - I lost my passport in the early 90's traveling in France . . . it was easy peasy getting my info from Rammstein and S.O.S.

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Response to Tanuki (Reply #94)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:41 PM

111. I just got some info from my boyfriend ( he got a chance to call ) and it

explains it more but I am going to do it so everybody I am talking to can get it. It now makes more sense but our dictator is still evil.

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Response to Tanuki (Reply #94)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:54 PM

168. Might be he did not obtain evidence of it until then

You can be born abroad and be a citizen and then you need a document, like a US passport, to prove it. So he may have gotten the passport then and not really thought of it as just obtaining evidence, but that he "became" a citizen then. But then if he had or has a US Passport, then that proves to ICE he is a citizen. I would think ICE surely does not encourage its agents in deporting US citizens and would strongly cause them to caution themselves when they even hear a claim of it.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:59 PM

67. My mother was a British citizen

but because my dad was an American, I didn't have to become naturalized as a U.S. citizen. My older half-sister Vee and I had the same mother, but her father, who'd died in battle, was a British soldier, so Vee had to go through the naturalization process when we came to the States as kids. I don't know what your boyfriend having dual citizenship would have to do with his being a bona fide American! It PMO that he has to go through this nonsense.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #24)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:03 PM

136. Did his father get him US citizenship immediately at birth?

That's what I did for my girls, and they have US-Embassy-issued certificates of "birth of a U.S. citizen abroad," and have had valid U.S. passports since they were born.

He has a U.S. passport, correct? How can they expel a U.S. citizen? That's the kind of thing the Soviet Union did, although today's Republicans are the closest thing we have ever had to Stalinists.

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Response to frogmarch (Reply #10)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:00 PM

69. To be very plain

I was born in the Netherlands, in a Dutch hospital. I have a Dutch birth certificate. To the best of my knowledge though I was born to US parents as my father was in the military. Both are now passed away.

Where is gets confusing is I have Naturalization paper issued by the State Dept 4 years after I was born (1974).
Because of that and a couple other factors I have always been unsure of my parentage or nationality at birth.

I will also add that I have lost the Naturalization paper and State has been unable to locate the record (I've tried for a couple years now)
I do have a US passport but it expires in 2 months.

I will also admit, given republican45's anti-immigrant hate mongering, I have been taunting him on Twitter for weeks about deporting me.
This story adds an interesting light to that.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #69)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:06 PM

73. Get your passport renewed before it expires.

You'll only have to send in the passport for a renewal

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Response to tammywammy (Reply #73)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:19 PM

145. I will second that

It's an easy process and needs no other documents.
Just make sure you do the priority mail return option. Not sure if it's really necessary but I always feel more secure about everything coming back to me.
By the way, your old passport comes back separately at a later date.

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Response to dhol82 (Reply #145)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:57 PM

170. third that!

especially without the naturalization paper

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:44 PM

11. ..

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:44 PM

12. You may want to add links to your other threads

so people don't keep asking what this is about.

In any case, I'm very sorry to hear this update. Best of luck to you and your boyfriend.

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Response to Cal Carpenter (Reply #12)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:09 PM

23. Thank you.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:47 PM

13. Please contact Rachel of TRMS

about this.

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Response to triron (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:49 PM

14. yes X 1000

 

please please get to the media on this and get as much publicity as possible on it as you can. Local media as well as national. this is complete insanity.

To the OP I am very sorry this has happened, I know it is a very trying time and you will be in my thoughts and prayers.

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Response to triron (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:55 PM

16. Please get this story out to the media...

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Response to triron (Reply #13)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:28 PM

39. She can't discuss it - she's saying it's not safe

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:53 PM

15. I'm so sorry.

I hope he can beat this. No doubt, it is due to his peaceful activism.

Does be have a home to go back to? Can you go with him to Germany? I don't mean to sound sarcastic or cynical or anything, but what if the two of you were better off there, at least for awhile?

I wish both of you the best in your fight. Keep us up to date on the brown shirts.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #15)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:06 PM

20. If he has to stay he wants me there. Thank you.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #20)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:38 PM

53. Good luck, you have a lot on your plate...

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Response to NotThisTime (Reply #53)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:39 PM

55. Thank you.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #20)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 01:05 AM

177. Good. I was going to say that this is an opportunity for you to get out

and you might want to think very seriously about taking it.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 12:55 PM

17. How awful for you and for this nation.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:01 PM

18. I'm betting we could find a couple million

Of us that would take his place.
In the mean time, best wishes for you guys.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #18)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:07 PM

21. Thank you.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:05 PM

19. I thought thay if you had 1 parent that was a US

citizen then you are a US citizen from birth even if you weren't born in the US.

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Response to AJT (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:29 PM

41. Yep

And if his father was an American Abroad for the Military - in order for them to come here with him as a minor -he simply needed his Consulate papers.

He should have those. The Military wouldn't have allowed him to come back (hes in my age range) without that 'certification' that the minor was an American.

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Response to AJT (Reply #19)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:40 PM

57. Only if you file for it

after the birth. And if that wasn't done...

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #57)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:19 PM

97. This does not make sense to me

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Response to AJT (Reply #97)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:27 PM

103. ???

More to this story?

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Response to AJT (Reply #97)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 11:09 AM

184. It doesn't make sense because it's not true.

If the statute says someone acquires citizenship at birth, then that person is a citizen AT BIRTH, and they remain a citizen unless and until they voluntarily renounce it. The documentation parents file and receive on behalf of their children born outside the US is proof of US citizenship, not the citizenship itself.

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Response to SoCalNative (Reply #57)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:47 PM

123. Relevant, via US State Department:

https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/abroad/events-and-records/birth.html

Birth of U.S. Citizens Abroad

A child born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent or parents may acquire U.S. citizenship at birth if certain statutory requirements are met. The child’s parents should contact the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate to apply for a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA) to document that the child is a U.S. citizen. If the U.S. embassy or consulate determines that the child acquired U.S. citizenship at birth, a consular officer will approve the CRBA application and the Department of State will issue a CRBA, also called a Form FS-240, in the child’s name.

According to U.S. law, a CRBA is proof of U.S. citizenship and may be used to obtain a U.S. passport and register for school, among other purposes.

The child’s parents may choose to apply for a U.S. passport for the child at the same time that they apply for a CRBA. Parents may also choose to apply only for a U.S. passport for the child. Like a CRBA, a full validity, unexpired U.S. passport is proof of U.S. citizenship.

Parents of a child born abroad to a U.S. citizen or citizens should apply for a CRBA and/or a U.S. passport for the child as soon as possible. Failure to promptly document a child who meets the statutory requirements for acquiring U.S. citizenship at birth may cause problems for the parents and the child when attempting to establish the child’s U.S. citizenship and eligibility for the rights and benefits of U.S. citizenship, including entry into the United States. By law, U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States.

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Response to DRoseDARs (Reply #123)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:10 PM

138. That is why I went to the US Embassy in Germany as soon as each of my daughters was born.

I went in with the documentation the Embassy told me on the phone to bring, and I walked out of there each time that same morning with their U.S. birth certificates, U.S. passports and social security numbers.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:18 PM

27. So sorry to hear, fuckface truly hates people.

I think this weekend there is going to be mass deportations and violence all planned out by Bannon and fuckface.

Russia took over in November, people need to understand this.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #27)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:23 PM

31. Thank you and I believe you wholeheartedly.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:20 PM

29. This is crazy, and I doubt it's legal.

Best of wishes for you both!

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Response to herding cats (Reply #29)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:24 PM

32. Thank you. To "them" it is legal.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #32)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:25 PM

34. Is your friend's father an American citizen? Yes or no. If yes, then your friend can't be deported.

You said several times his father was in US military. Was his father an American Citizen?


Birth to U.S. Citizen Parents ("Acquisition") In many circumstances, even though a child is born outside the United States, if at least one parent was a U.S. citizen at the time of the child's birth, the child automatically "acquires" citizenship.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:28 PM

40. yes

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #34)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:30 PM

44. Trump's America is a different America

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #44)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:32 PM

45. Not when it comes to deporting an unquestionable American Citizen. Too hard to believe.

If I see some actual documentation or proof I will speedily apologize if my posts seem insensitive.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #45)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:35 PM

50. If he was born at Rammstein AFB

They will have the records of births at that time. I needed it in 1994 - another copy of my consulate papers issued when I was an infant.

Hey - if we are wrong - we are wrong.

But this doesn't make sense.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #50)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:39 PM

56. The Military is very good at keeping paperwork. I know people who'd joke that's all they're good at.

Paper work. Very, very good at paper work.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #56)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:59 PM

68. Yep - man did they come through for me

When I lost my passport in France many many years ago!

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Response to Glimmer of Hope (Reply #42)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:33 PM

47. Thank you. I can not make it to public unless my boyfriend wants me to.

If he does I will but until then I am not saying a lot even to DU....sorry.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #47)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:39 PM

109. Look - he's not in the USA anymore

You stated he got sent back. Therefore, he's not in danger. He was deported, stripped of his US Citizenship and is safe and sound in Germany. They can't do anything to him now.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #109)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 01:00 AM

175. I disagree with your conclusion that he has nothing to lose.

There is a provision for stripping people of U.S. citizenship under certain circumstances, but it's rare. Furthermore, an initial ruling to that effect by ICE would not be the last word.

I don't know the facts here, but one possible scenario is: He challenges the action against him in court, and the government, having decided that its case is weak, quietly folds and re-admits him, let's let bygones be bygones. If, however, there's been an enormous public ruckus, then the government might dig in its heels and fight hard. As against that, a public ruckus might be helpful to him. That's a tactical decision that is not ours to make. Doreen is right to play it safe at this stage.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #175)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 09:46 AM

183. You missed the follow up

He lied to her:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8668592

My husband is a Green Card holder. I need false flags like I need a hole in the head.

I'm also an American born abroad to a Military officer - in then West Germany. We don't need hysteria - we need truth.

The guy lied to her and his story morphed twice.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #47)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:57 PM

130. lolz

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:33 PM

46. This is so illegal and immoral!

Sadistic is the word I would use to describe what's happening!

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:36 PM

51. I read your story yesterday

and couldn't believe it. So scary.

I'm really sorry.

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Response to GallopingGhost (Reply #51)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:38 PM

54. Thank you.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #54)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:32 PM

155. Doreen, take care of yourself....

You've got to be in good enough shape to help others.

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Response to Big_K (Reply #155)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:35 PM

158. I will. Thank you.

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Response to GallopingGhost (Reply #51)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:22 PM

99. I read it as well, Doreen

I am so sorry this is happening.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:40 PM

59. I'm sorry, but this sounds unbelievable?

you're saying that a US citizen (who should be a US citizen from birth, if his father was a US citizen, based on the rules about US citizenship at birth applicable in 1962; retroactively, if he was born outside marriage but his father acknowledged paternity before his 21st birthday) was "called in" by ICE (which shouldn't have any jurisdiction) and then deported? Also Germany does not allow dual citizenship for people who become naturalised citizens of other countries. If you become a naturalised US citizen, you give up your German citizenship. The only way to be a dual citizen of the US and Germany is to have both citizenships from birth. I find this to be highly suspicious and probably completely untrue.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #59)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:47 PM

61. You get yourself an immigration lawyer, that is what is missing from this story

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Response to still_one (Reply #61)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:05 PM

71. The boyfriend did have an immigration attorney -

who went to the hearing yesterday.

(I was harping on that yesterday & the response after her boyfriend contacted her was that he had contacted an immigration attorney befofe going to the hearing. They were, as of yesterday, thousands of miles apart so whe was reporting the bits and pieces she knew.)

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #71)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:09 PM

79. ok. All I am saying if they have the documentation that one of the parents is

a United States Citizen, something is missing from this picture

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Response to still_one (Reply #79)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:44 PM

116. agreed

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Response to still_one (Reply #61)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:08 PM

77. No, an American being deported needs a Civil Rights lawyer. Immigration has nothing to do with it.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #77)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:12 PM

82. what are the reasons for the deportation?

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Response to still_one (Reply #82)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:16 PM

92. There are none if your father was an American. And if the father was an American in the military

there will be paperwork that can be forwarded for a legit legal reason.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #77)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:56 PM

169. an immigration lawyer would have

made the claim of US citizenship and I would think that would slow ICE down considerably. Though this is the Dolt45 administration, so maybe they think they can do anything they want. But normally they would be horrified of the idea of deporting a citizen and would at least refer to the judge, even if they didn't believe it.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #59)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:47 PM

62. I agree. The proper response to the op is " cool story bro."

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Response to FSogol (Reply #62)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:44 PM

118. +1

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #59)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:55 PM

65. Hard to say for sure as a layperson, but...

"A child born to an American parent and a German parent acquires both American and German citizenship at birth, regardless of place of birth, if the parents satisfy the jus soli or jus sanguinis requirements of their respective countries."

Seems to me that unless he renounced his citizenship at some point, he is a dual national by both German and American law.

https://de.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/dual-nationality/

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Response to better (Reply #65)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:56 PM

66. Yeah, that's what I said (n/t)

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #59)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:13 PM

85. And it was all because he was involved in the protest movement.

Red flags all over the place here...

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #59)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:13 PM

87. There are basically three likely possibilities

1. The story is just made up by the original poster
2. The boyfriend is making it up to the original poster
3. The boyfriend was not entirely truthful to the original poster about his citizenship

Because the story as stated makes no sense. American citizens don't get "called in" to immigration. If they suspect that you obtained your citizenship fraudulently, they may pursue criminal charges (which would have to be proven before citizenship could be revoked).

That being said, ICE is also pretty shady, and has been known to bully and lie to people to get them to renounce citizenship, but the fact that he's been arrested and involved in protests by itself isn't likely to attract enough interest for them to single him out.

To the OP: if the story that your boyfriend is telling you is true, you have the potential here for a headline making case that will absolutely draw large scale media attention. Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I suspect that #2 or #3 is more likely. Have you seen any of the documentation that they clearly would have given him?

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Response to metalbot (Reply #87)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:45 PM

119. 100% right

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #59)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:43 PM

114. I agree -- ICE doesn't call up US citizens

not natural-born citizens, even those with dual citizenship, especially from ones we have a firm agreement with, like Germany.

US citizens cannot be deported.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #59)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:18 PM

144. TY for saying this, Spider J. Something is off about this story; important parts are missing....

Suffice it to say, DUers have been gulled before by urgent narratives.

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Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #59)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:42 PM

161. I agree and the reason being among what you just posted plus

there are no news Stories About this front and Center..If this really happened TV Camera's would be showing us this story as it unfolds.
We would see the girlfriend here tying herself to the front of the Van as we saw in the deportation story in Arizona.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 01:54 PM

64. Cool story, bro. nt

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Response to LexVegas (Reply #64)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:45 PM

120. +1

People can be so gullible.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:07 PM

75. He can't have been forced back

there is not time there for a hearing. He would get a hearing before an immigration judge to prove he is a citizen. He must have volunteered to go back. He could apply for a US passport. Hopefully he is in contact with his father, as he may need to prove that his father lived in the US the requisite number of years.

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Response to treestar (Reply #75)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:12 PM

81. I believe his father has passed away.

I think this story should be passed along to the military. It's hardly unusual that a serviceman has a wife and kid from another country.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #81)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:14 PM

90. Yup, and the military keeps all it's paper work nice and tidy. And accessible for legit court needs.

Maybe the boyfriend fibbed about his father being an American?

That's the only way this makes sense.

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Response to KittyWampus (Reply #90)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:41 PM

112. That could be

If he didn't want people to know he was a visa overstay and therefore illegal.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #81)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:40 PM

110. Yes hopefully his father and mother

were married or close and there would still be evidence. And in the military, his residence in Germany might still count as US residence.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:09 PM

78. I am so very sorry

 

😰😤😡😭

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Response to bravenak (Reply #78)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:12 PM

83. Thank you.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:12 PM

84. This is what the powers did in Germany in the 1930's

To maintain a culture of fear - the powers that be told the families of the victims (that were interned, etc.) to not say anything or worse things would happen. The silent terror of the arrest in the night...kept people from speaking out. I suspect that is what Mr. Trump and President Bannon wants.

I cannot tell you what to do... but good luck.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:14 PM

88. This "story" simply doesn't make sense

Either the OP is withholding specific information of her boyfriend's status, or this is simply not true.

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Response to arfcorps (Reply #88)


Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:14 PM

89. ACLU needs contacting and file suit.

WHat happened is ILLEGAL

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:18 PM

96. They are doing this to a US CITIZEN!

Shit!!!!

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Response to get the red out (Reply #96)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:46 PM

121. No, they aren't doing this to citizens

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:24 PM

100. Something does not add up about this story

Even a naturalized US citizen cannot legally be deported unless it is found that the naturalization was based on fraud in the application. That can take years to adjudicate, as we have seen with Germans who were suspected of Nazi war crimes. That circumstance obviously would not apply here. There is nothing you can do after naturalization to cause your citizenship to be revoked, though you can obviously renounce it. Even that is not a trivial or cheap process. The only way ICE could bring him in and deport him this quickly is if he were never a citizen in the first place.

Having an American parent would seem to make this person a citizen from birth, but proving that might be problematic if the father were not listed on the birth certificate.

Again, this is all predicated on ICE itself acting within the law, but it would take hearings and a judge to rule that citizenship had been obtained fraudulently.

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Response to VMA131Marine (Reply #100)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:46 PM

122. Agreed facts as provided don't add up.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:29 PM

104. You must remember, he was a vocal critic of Trump.

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Response to alfredo (Reply #104)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:47 PM

124. Doesn't make a difference -- a US citizen cannot be deported

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #124)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:49 PM

125. If the deportation is illegal then we must figure out why they did it.

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Response to alfredo (Reply #125)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:51 PM

126. There was no illegal deportation that happened

Now, the DACA young man arrested in WA? If he was deported, that would be illegal.

US citizens cannot be deported, period. It would never happen. And, no one's deportation takes place within 12-18 hours.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #126)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:11 PM

140. That's why I said "if." The law says we can't torture, but we did.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:33 PM

106. Your story doesn't add up

He was called into immigration yesterday and deported today? The system doesn't work that fast. Period.

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Response to tammywammy (Reply #106)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:37 PM

107. Thank you

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Response to tammywammy (Reply #106)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:55 PM

129. It would appear that someone involved in this story is not telling the whole truth. n/t

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:37 PM

108. How much do you know about this friend?

I don't think he's been honest with you. You don't get deported over-night. You do go before a judge.

Here's what you need to do. Go on-line to the Berkeley arrest records that are updated hourly. See if you see his picture, and you will find your answers if he's there. There are protestors, robbers, DUI, Drugs, etc. in the last few days.

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Response to Sissyk (Reply #108)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:27 PM

153. I have been with this man for a little more than 1 and a half years.

Read my new OMFG!! post as I have more info.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #153)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:51 PM

167. So I see he has not been truthful with you.

Did you check out the Berkeley Arrest for this week?

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:43 PM

115. New York Times has a page for tips

https://www.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2016/news-tips

Tell them what's going on. If he's a citizen, they have no right to pick on him. Period.

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Response to shireen (Reply #115)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:13 PM

141. Read my new OMFG!! post.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:54 PM

127. People can be so gullible

US citizens cannot be taken in by ICE. US citizens cannot be deported, period.

People who are deported go through a deportation process that certainly takes much longer than 12-18 hours. In addition, do you think this wouldn't be over the US and German press?

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #127)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:00 PM

133. +1

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #127)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:02 PM

135. Actually, although it isn't supposed to happen, US citizens can be deported...

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #127)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:14 PM

142. Read my new OMFG!! post.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #142)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:26 PM

151. lolz

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #127)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:20 PM

146. Nor can Russians hacks state and local electoral boards right? tia

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #146)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:26 PM

152. When did I say that?

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #127)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:02 PM

164. Yep. nt

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 02:59 PM

132. Is that you Torch?

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Response to GentryDixon (Reply #132)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:01 PM

134. There's not a GoFundMe set up...yet.

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Response to GentryDixon (Reply #132)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:11 PM

139. lolz

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Response to GentryDixon (Reply #132)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:20 PM

147. Did ICE ring the door buzzard?

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Response to FSogol (Reply #147)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:04 PM

172. LOL! Were they offended by the Merry Christmas place mat?

someone could be in federal trouble!

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Response to treestar (Reply #172)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:53 PM

173. LOL. n/t

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Response to FSogol (Reply #147)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 12:08 PM

185. minding my own business here just reading but

that made me laugh out loud!

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Response to GentryDixon (Reply #132)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:31 PM

154. It really does smack of an old friend returning. We have been burned before.

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Response to GentryDixon (Reply #132)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:20 PM

165. omfg

 

hmmm

Yoshi goes to Germany?

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Response to bunnies (Reply #165)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 04:24 PM

166. Thanks for the laugh!

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Response to GentryDixon (Reply #132)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 05:02 PM

171. lol you win DU for the day

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:05 PM

137. This story is BS, either an attention troll, or

someone just trying to whip us all up. There's enough factual goings on for that.

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Response to arfcorps (Reply #137)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:21 PM

148. NO this is NOT bullshit!!

Read my new OMFG!! post. It explains more in detail.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:17 PM

143. Followup: The story has been updated with new information, see...

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:23 PM

149. Are there any official News reports about this..I mean I would think a Major Network would

pick up on this story. Is he on his way to Germany now?
Something/facts just dont seem right here?

I would think a call to a network like CNN or MSNC or national Networks NBC,CBS, ABC would have this story up front

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Response to INdemo (Reply #149)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:34 PM

156. I put a new OMFG!! post with new info.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:25 PM

150. I have new info on a new OMFG!! post.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #150)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:34 PM

157. With changes in the facts and which can be found here...

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Fri Feb 17, 2017, 03:45 PM

163. A US citizen being deported would be a top news story on literally EVERY news network.

Call me skeptical. I don't believe this story. Someone is being lied to.

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Response to Doreen (Original post)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 01:01 AM

176. What you have described is exactly my mom's and her siblings' situation.

Mom's dad was a U.S. GI -- her mother, a German citizen. Every time her mother became pregnant, she sailed to the U.S. to give birth --- so mom, her brother and two sisters were all U.S. citizens. They all grew up in WW2 Germany and all came to the U.S. after the war.

I'm so sorry to hear of your trauma. Please accept a cyber hug.

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Response to pablo_marmol (Reply #176)

Sat Feb 18, 2017, 01:05 AM

178. Thank you.

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