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Updated! Do you believe this latest Zimmerman saved a family from a truck story? New link.

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue/story?id=19735432

I don't!

New link http://freakoutnation.com/2013/07/24/its-a-bird-its-a-plane-its-zimmer-man-but-his-reported-rescue-of-the-car-crash-seems-to-be-falling-to-pieces/


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No it is a bull PR staged event.
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Yes I believe he really rescued someone.
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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:49 PM

1. Who cares about

Georgie other than his mummy cakes anways?

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:52 PM

2. I wonder.....

Was the driver black? See, a life taken a life saved. He's even now.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:57 PM

7. That was my first thought as I read the story: was the saved family black?

See, everybody...Zimmerman isn't a racist...he saved this black family!

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Response to AndyA (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:16 PM

103. That would be the headline

if that was the case. Since its not right there I'm the title, most likely they are not black people.

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Response to Politicalboi (Reply #2)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:20 PM

226. Zimmerman doesn't sound like a racist to me.

From the Douglas County Sentinel.

"Although Zimmerman is classed as “white Hispanic,” his great-grandfather was black, and he has black relatives. He was raised in a mixed-race home. His grandmother babysat two black girls in the community for years, the girls ate their meals with Zimmerman’s family, and traveled back and forth to school with the Zimmerman children.

Zimmerman is a registered Democrat who supported Barack Obama for President.

He chose a black girl as his date for his high-school prom.

In 2004, Zimmerman and a black friend opened an insurance office together.

Zimmerman and his wife tutored and mentored black kids for years, free of charge.

In 2011, the Sanford Police failed to arrest a white police lieutenant’s son after he assaulted a homeless black man. Zimmerman played a leading role in protesting the cover up. He passed out fliers urging citizens to attend a public meeting about the case, and confronted the newly-elected mayor at the meeting, demanding more police accountability".


Read more at;

http://www.douglascountysentinel.com/opinion/columnists/article_c357b23a-f316-11e2-97a0-0019bb30f31a.html

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:52 PM

3. "saved"

 

He might of pulled (with the persons help) but saved suggests they were in danger. I doubt they were if they were able to sit in their car while Zimmerman got a call to help, got dressed, drove down there and did his PR thing

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:56 PM

4. True, false, what does it matter? Trayvon is still dead by Z's hand.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:56 PM

5. The Sanford Police spent time to stage a truck rollover to make Zimmy look good?

LOL...

I bet there is an insurance scam in the mix as well! Check the registration!

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:57 PM

6. He probably did pull somebody out

It would be hard to stage a fake accident just for that.

But I seriously doubt it made any difference in the outcome, and could have potentially injured the person/

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:58 PM

8. Oh please. There are many ways to do this. There are people who wanrt this guy to be a hero.

This was a staged event.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:02 PM

14. It would mean a police department is complicit and more corrupt than even Hollywood portrays

Do you really think the Sanford PD is so corrupt they actually would go to the trouble to helping stage an accident?

A rollover no less?

Even professional stunt drivers have to work pretty hard to get a rollover to go right, under controlled conditions. Doing it in public would be pretty damm obvious to all driving by.

Something like this would be pretty damm hard to stage in public. If it was a rear ending or something, sure- but a rollover?

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:04 PM

17. Yes I think it is very possible.

Remember there are powerful people making money off of this story and they could pull off a stunt like this.

Yes it would be hard but not impossible.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:11 PM

25. hard to believe they'd stage an accident, but someone could have called zimmy to the scene of

 

an accident.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #25)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:13 PM

30. I would be more likely to believe

he was sitting at home listening to the scanner and rushed himself there- that would fit the profile of the holster sniffer/whacker type.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #30)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:24 PM

45. i didn't think of a scanner, and he'd be the type to have one.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #45)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:36 PM

163. There's an app for that.

All he needs is a phone.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #45)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:04 PM

219. All that would prove

is that he was the first responder on the scene, and I think we know how slow first response is in this town...

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #219)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:07 PM

222. ? The response to the martin incident was pretty quick, within minutes of georgies's call.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #222)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 07:11 AM

247. The EMT's got there before the cops

If you look at the timeline from the first call, it was pretty long, when the dispatchers heard from neighborhood residents that there was an actual fight going on, they should have had the cops hit the pedal and the sirens. Just the noise of sirens on the way might well have affected the outcome that night.

Everybody knows that cop response time is a joke, that's why you have so very many people wanting to own their own guns.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #247)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 07:52 AM

251. huh?

 

7:09:34 – 7:13:41 — George Zimmerman calls the Sanford Police Department (SPD) from his truck; total time of the call is 4 minutes 7 seconds.

7:13:41 — The end of Zimmerman's call to Sanford police.

7:16:00 – 7:16:59 — Martin's call from the girl goes dead during this minute.

7:16:11 — First 911 call from witness about a fight, calls for help heard.

7:16:55 — Gunshot heard on 911 call.

7:17 — The first officer on the scene, Officer T. Smith arrives by squad car at Retreat View.

7:40 — Sanford Fire Department treats Zimmerman for his injuries

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_shooting_of_Trayvon_Martin


I count that as 8 minutes from the beginning of zimmerman's non-emergency call to the arrival of the first policeman.

>1 minute from the first 911 call.


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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #30)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:22 PM

79. That is the most likely way this ruse could have taken place. n/t

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #30)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:07 PM

100. I agree. Zimmerman is still running around trying to be a hero.

I doubt that anybody appreciated his "help" at the scene. It sounds like he pushed himself in where he was neither needed nor wanted.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #30)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:19 PM

110. "Holster sniffer"

Brilliant. Stealing.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #30)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:36 PM

162. I've heard of people who actually do the scanner thing.

They want to be heroes so bad they rush to the scene before the police get there.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #25)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:14 PM

32. I agree with this.

Staging a rescue is easier to believe than staging an accident.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:18 PM

107. You mean like how they assisted the defense?

Most PD's are on the side of the prosecution when they arrest someone for murder. The Sanford PD had nothing but praise for GZ when they testified for the prosecution. Hell, during the recorded interview with GZ after the murder, The officer actually said that he wanted to help him. I think it was a sincere statement by the officer. Sure, I think they'd help him out again.

Their kind always stick together.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:31 PM

115. Is it possible he's sitting at the old friend's house listening to police scanner?

It said he was not witness to the crash, just showed up at the scene. He must be monitoring the police scanner because he's paranoid. More than ever likely. I bet he's staying at the house of the guy who bought him the suits. Out of money. Feeling misunderstood, characterized as a weenie wimp. Wanting to prove he's one of the good guys. Just spontaneous act on his part. Like the creepy ass cracker he is. Sanford PD might as well appoint him their mascot.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:06 PM

139. It's really not a big deal.

I did something similar myself once for a guy who'd flipped his truck into a ditch. Though honestly, I think I was wiser for not yanking the man out and possibly injuring him further. Instead, I just made sure the vehicle wasn't on fire while calling the paramedics.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:11 PM

172. Maybe, but his actions no difference.

The professionals would have been there a minute or two later and would have done the same thing, help them out of their vehicle. Big deal. Some supporters are acting like he saved a bus load of kids from going into a river.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:58 PM

9. "It would be hard to stage a fake accident just for that"

 

That county just staged a fake trial. This one isn't tough in contrast

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:22 PM

78. This Is Just Speculation On My Part...

However, please help me make sense of this. This is a man who has basically not been seen in public since the trial. At least that is what most people are saying. On one side it's because he fears for his life (RW) and on the other side he's afraid someone on (LW) is out to get him.

So NOW he decides it's time to make the decision to venture out, and just coincidentally happens upon an accident, one where HE is in a position to SAVE SOMEONE!! Can I prove it's not true no. But I'm skeptical enough to believe that if such a thing happened, perhaps it was staged. Not sure who might have helped set it up, maybe that Taffey guy who loves him and yapped throughout the trial. Or could it have been juror #37?

And WHY would he actually go out without a support group just in case he gets confronted?

I live across the state from Sanford, and today a it's really, really hot outside. Given his weight and perhaps lack of access to a gym, there's is a good likelihood that he would either pass out, or had a stroke.

I do have to add, because of my cynicism, I actually didn't read the article because I felt it was a joke. So I will go back and read it because I don't really know when this really occurred. Shouldn't have speculated so much, but don't want to rewrite all of this again. I will read it now and correct any misstatements by me. Sorry, my bad.


But, weird things happen. Hey, he was found "not guilty" and that's weird to me!!

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:16 PM

104. +1

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 01:59 PM

10. Is there any evidence that the story is false?

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Response to JVS (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:00 PM

11. There is no evidence either way.

I just don't believe it.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:15 PM

34. A statement from the Sheriff's Office ......

.... is not evidence? Reported by ABC News?

What is your criterion for "evidence?"

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:18 PM

36. I believe an incedent happened, I just do not take it at face value.

I may be wrong and I will say sorry if I am wrong.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #36)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:21 PM

40. What exactly would be enough proof for you to admit that?

 

Video of the rescue? What if that is just part of the hollywood style stunt?

Wouldn't it just be easier to admit that there is nothing that could convince you with certainty that it was just an accident?

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Response to Pelican (Reply #40)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:23 PM

44. Video? If there is video I would more likely believe it was staged.

Let me ask you does this not seem a little odd to you.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #44)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:39 PM

88. Do you believe the family that wrecked was involved in this "setup"?

Or, do you think they are fake also?

hrmjustin, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. So what if he did help a family in a car crash. It doesn't change the fact that he killed a child, and never will.

But, to go all conspiracy? I think you are better than that.

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Response to Sissyk (Reply #88)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:42 PM

92. look I am not taking this at face value. If it is true I waill say i am wrong but I question it for

now.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #92)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:47 PM

95. So, for now, you do believe that all those people

involved (Fire and Rescue, Police Officers, the family (and kids) in the car) were involved in a publicity stunt?

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Response to Sissyk (Reply #95)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:50 PM

97. I have no idea. I just question it.

You may be right in the end and he wanted to play hero and got to the scene. I don't know.

I hope there is video.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #97)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:12 PM

101. Is there any proof yet that this was a staged PR stunt yet?

 

If not, are you willing to concede that this is a genuine story?

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Response to tumtum (Reply #101)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:16 PM

102. This happened 4 days after the verdict and this is the first we are hearing of it.

No Sorry but I am not buying it.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #102)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:18 PM

106. But there's no proof that this is a staged PR stunt, is there?

 

The family, the other man, the Sanford PD, the Seminole County Sheriffs Office, the Fire/Rescue people, all the news organizations that reported this, are in on the conspiracy?

Sometimes, a duck is just a duck.

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Response to tumtum (Reply #106)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:39 PM

118. Well you not get me to say anything different unless you got proof. Why did it take so long to

report.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #118)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:48 PM

124. You're the one saying that this is a PR stunt,

 

why should it be up to me to prove that it's not?

How the hell do I know why it took so long to report it? Maybe the news organizations were confirming it was true.

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Response to tumtum (Reply #124)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:52 PM

132. Yet they reported the suv was on fire, which does not seem true. Odd.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #132)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:58 PM

135. So you think that this was a PR stunt?

 

That NBC, ABC, HuffPo, CNN, Fox, Sanford PD, Seminole County SO, the victims, the other person with Zim, Fire/Rescue were all part of a conspiracy to make Zim look good?

Sometimes a duck is just that, a duck.

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Response to tumtum (Reply #124)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:09 PM

142. It does not take that long to confirm a story like this.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #142)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:14 PM

145. Do you have any proof that this story isn't true?

 

Do you have proof that Zim wasn't there? Do you have proof that this is some kind of conspiracy this is a "rehabilitation" of Zim?

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Response to tumtum (Reply #145)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:15 PM

148. I said several times that I have no proof. I do not believe this story to be true.

You can believe it if you want. Just seems too perfect.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #148)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:18 PM

150. Maybe, and sometimes a duck is just that, a duck.

 

In my sometimes warped mind, it still doesn't excuse what he stood trial for.

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Response to tumtum (Reply #150)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:20 PM

153. The fact that there were no injuries seems odd.

Yes it is possible as you said but still seems odd. Took several days to report this. He walks out without security when he one of the most hated men in America. Just seems odd to me.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #102)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:48 PM

187. If it was a PR stunt, wouldn't they have released it the day it happened?

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Response to Travis_0004 (Reply #187)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:52 PM

190. maybe, but if it were a breaking news story now people could be questioned by reporters on the spot.

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Response to tumtum (Reply #101)

Wed Jul 24, 2013, 11:39 PM

272. There is now.

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Response to EOTE (Reply #272)

Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:54 AM

274. Seriously? freakoutnation?

 

They're about as believable as Faux news. When I hear it from a reputable source, then I'll change my mind, until then..........

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Response to JVS (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:12 PM

29. This is the story I found.

 

Last edited Tue Jul 23, 2013, 09:02 AM - Edit history (1)

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/22/19618495-zimmerman-emerges-to-help-family-from-burning-car-in-sanford-fla?lite

Seems to be genuine.

edit: it seems the car wasn't on fire.

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Response to tumtum (Reply #29)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:04 PM

218. Some other news outlets reported a different location.

The accident was also stated to be at the intersection of I-4 and 417.

Burning car or not a burning car? I-4 and 46 or I-4 and 417?

There are legitimate questions.

IMHO, there probably was an accident, and Zimmerman did assist the family. With that being said, I think the story has been hyped up to make George look like more of a hero here than he really was.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:01 PM

12. So, there is no confirmation about this story?

That seems strange. Chotto hen na.

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:02 PM

13. Abc has it but I have not seen anything anywhere else.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:06 PM

22. WELL, looks like he will probably be visiting FOX AND FRIENDS...

They would love to make a hero out of him.

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Response to AsahinaKimi (Reply #12)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:28 PM

114. Honto desu ne.

Usou iteru.

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Response to tblue (Reply #114)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:30 PM

158. un.

wakatta ne.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:03 PM

15. This kind of conspiracy woo is as stupid as freeper woo.

It makes DU look dumb and there seems to be more and more of it here.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #15)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:04 PM

16. +1 n/t

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #15)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:06 PM

21. +1 it is incredibly dumb n/t

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #15)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:07 PM

24. You believe this story?

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #24)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:14 PM

31. Can you prove otherwise?

 

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Response to tumtum (Reply #31)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:15 PM

33. No I can not. Do you believe this story?

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:19 PM

39. Why not?

 

The NBC story says he and another man rescued a family of 4 from a burning SUV. Seminole County Sheriff units arrived as they were pulling the kids out.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/22/19618495-zimmerman-emerges-to-help-family-from-burning-car-in-sanford-fla?lite

Unless some other news comes out, I see no reason to disbelieve it.

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Response to tumtum (Reply #39)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:28 PM

49. No injuries. Ok you can take this at face value all you want. I do not believe it.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #49)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:36 PM

53. Fine, don't believe it, that's your perogative.

 

You think this is a conspiracy between the Seminole Deputies, the family of 4 and the other man helping?,

Think ABC, NBC, Huffpo are in on the conspiracy?

It would seem that your obsession with everything Zim is clouding your judgement, but, that's ok.

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Response to tumtum (Reply #53)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:39 PM

54. I admit i could be wrong and if they prove me wrong i will admit it.

But I don't take this at face value.

But hey thanks for the insult and welcome to DU.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #54)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:40 PM

55. What insult?

 

Thanks for the welcome.

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Response to tumtum (Reply #39)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:32 PM

116. I see nothing about a burning suv at your link.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #116)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:42 PM

122. In the link itself.

 

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/22/19618495-zimmerman-emerges-to-help-family-from-burning-car-in-sanford-fla?lite

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Response to tumtum (Reply #122)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:50 PM

128. I don't quite know how to phrase this correctly but wtf?

Typically a news header is written based on a first, OFTEN innaccurate report. None of the articles say ANYTHING about a fire, just that firefighters at the scene were told something. Firefighters often go to car accidents just in case they are needed, in case of fuel spill or fire. It looks like in this case there was no fire. It does not matter what the web page address is. There is nothing in the story saying there was a fire.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #128)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:52 PM

131. I concur, and I noticed that there was a question mark on the header.

 

But that still doesn't prove that this was a PR stunt.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #116)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:08 PM

141. It was there when I posted.

Now it isn't.

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #141)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:01 PM

192. Funny how the story changes, being released after 4 days. FIRE! oops, wait, no fire, sorry....

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2013/07/george_zimmerman_rescues_famil.html

When a deputy arrived at the scene, two men had already helped the family out of the SUV. One of the men was Zimmerman, a former neighborhood watch coordinator in Sanford. ... There were no reported injuries.

(clip)
Clutching a fire extinguisher he keeps in his car for emergencies, the 29-year-old volunteer watchman checked for signs of a blaze before freeing the family and waiting for rescuers to arrive.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #15)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:26 PM

46. +1 N/T

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #15)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:26 PM

48. Haters gotta hate

smh & smh (shaking my head AND so much hate)

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #15)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:54 PM

65. Ditto that

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #15)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:00 PM

136. Woo is woo.

And this is woo. Good grief, people. Dozens of people would have to be "in on this" for it to have been a staged event. Sometimes coincidences simply happen. Rarely do conspiracies.

Zimmerman is no lovable character by any means, but I think the irrational, blinding hatred of him by some will cause them to believe all sorts of ridiculous things.

He's a slimeball with a hero complex who happened to be in the right place at the right time.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #15)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:24 PM

156. I'm personally more embarrassed at how quickly folks have lapped it up...

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #15)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:21 PM

173. Agreed. I can understand anger at the verdict

but to let it manifest in ways like this, that's embarrassing.

Turn your efforts away from irrational questions like the OP. Do people really think the media is in a conspiracy with Zimmerman to paint him as a nice guy? Waaaaaay over the top.

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Response to LittleBlue (Reply #173)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:12 PM

257. It's possible the guy helped a little, but didn't really save anyone.

In other words, the truth is probably somewhere between him being Superman, and the event being totally staged.

As the truth generally is.

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Response to Dreamer Tatum (Reply #257)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 04:05 PM

260. No, it's certain beyond a reasonable doubt that the guy helped a little,

but not beyond unreasonable doubt, which is on display here. Those who see Zimmerman a pure evil just can't imagine him doing anything good.

Face facts, you 75 percenters, Zimmerman did do something good in getting people out of an upside down vehicle. If you want to put a negative spin on this, think of Zimmerman as a wannabe cop doing what any real cop would do.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:05 PM

18. either way, it's irrelevant to the murder of an unarmed teenager that he stalked, confronted, and

shot

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:05 PM

19. There is absolutely no evidence to the contray for this story.

The fact that people are immediately yelling conspiracy or something goes to show just how often people will disregard information because it doesn't fit their world view.

I don't agree with what Zimmerman did, but that doesn't mean that I need to believe he will do nothing good from now until the day he dies. Some people are however obsessed with seeing the world in strict good and evil terms. I'm sure freaking Hitler would have stopped to help someone on the side of the road, that doesn't make him a good person

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Response to Kurska (Reply #19)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:11 PM

26. +100! n/t

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:05 PM

20. It's palusible but if they try telling me he shot the guy's seat belt to get him out

then I tell you......

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:07 PM

23. Could care less what Mr. Zimmerman did or didn't do.

 

Don't know much about him, don't want to know much about him.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:12 PM

27. On the basis we are are all Trayvon Martin

it follows that Zimmerman is too. Assume Trayvon would've saved the man and it follows Zimmerman would follow suit. QED it must be true.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:12 PM

28. Don't know if it is real, but that's just expected if there is a roll over.

If he did so, then good, it doesn't erase what he has done prior.
Regardless, it is only decent and expected to help out a car that rolled over. Thought most people did that if they could easily stop. Even I have done the same thing twice in my life each time I saw a car roll over.

Good for him if he has done so, but I don't see this being a big deal.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:18 PM

35. No.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:19 PM

37. Sure, why not?

I read once about a woman who's car broke down next to an unsupervised work gang. The prisioners fixed her car and got her back on the road, no hassles.
It doesn't change what happened in the past. How many good deeds does it take to make up for unjustly taking a life...

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:19 PM

38. He felt threatened by the SUV so he shot the tire out, causing the rollover...

Then he pulled out the victims, but ran away before anyone could talk to him.

It's as crazy as any of the rest of this shit.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:21 PM

41. Occum's Razor would dictate the story is most likely true.

Having a family intentionally roll their car as a conspiracy with the police department seems much less likely than Zimmerman just being close to a bad car accident to me.

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #41)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:11 PM

75. Ockham. (as in William of Ockham). He was quoting an old Latin phrase

that does not mean that an incident might in fact involve a complex series of events. Sorry, I actually researched/worked on Ockham in grad school so I apologize for being a pedant.

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Response to anneboleyn (Reply #75)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:14 PM

76. Both spellings are acceptable in the US. nt

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #76)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 07:28 AM

249. I've seen Occam, but never Occum

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Response to Vattel (Reply #249)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 01:19 PM

258. Well, there's that song--'Occum All Ye Faithful'

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Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #258)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 03:54 PM

259. lol

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #41)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:17 PM

105. Don't have to stage the accident. Just have to stage the rescue.

For example, listen to a scanner and hear the accident occurred nearby. Rush over and "save" people....who really didn't need the help all that much.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:22 PM

42. I believe he was there

and as a wannabe he wanted to play the hero, but unless there were some immediate danger (like a fire) he could have done serious damage to the guy's neck or spine moving him without immobilizing him first.

I think he made the issue worse.

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Response to jazzimov (Reply #42)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:30 PM

51. The car was on fire.

As per link http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/22/19618495-zimmerman-emerges-to-help-family-from-burning-car-in-sanford-fla?lite

Police say George Zimmerman helped rescue a family trapped in a burning vehicle on a Florida highway last week

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Response to GreenStormCloud (Reply #51)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:42 PM

121. Your link says NOTHING about it being on fire. I guess they changed the story.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:23 PM

43. The accident was staged by Reptilian Venusians to stimulate the sales of tinfoil hats.

 

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Response to aristocles (Reply #43)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:32 PM

204. This is the only thing that makes sense.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:26 PM

47. Was it on fire or not?

The NBC story says the vehicle was on fire. The ABC story doesn't mention fire at all.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/22/19618495-zimmerman-emerges-to-help-family-from-burning-car-in-sanford-fla?lite
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-emerged-hiding-truck-crash-rescue/story?id=19735432

Fox news: no fire mentioned. But there's this gem: "George Zimmerman pulled me out,” firefighters were told by the unidentified driver, according to McAuliffe.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/22/george-zimmerman-rescued-man-from-truck-crash-last-week-police-say/

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Response to Ino (Reply #47)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:30 PM

50. No injuries according to NBc. This is just weird. Not buying it.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #50)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:47 PM

59. Why not?

 

Last edited Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:57 PM - Edit history (1)

I had a helicopter shot out from under me once, my co-pilot, myself and my gunner all walked away with no injuries. People survive rollovers all the time without injuries.

This is very believable.

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Response to tumtum (Reply #59)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:49 PM

61. Just making a note.

Thank you for your service.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #61)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:53 PM

64. Thank you.

 

I didn't follow the trial too much, but what little I do know, it seems to me that Zim got away with murder.

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Response to tumtum (Reply #64)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:54 PM

66. Yes he did.

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Response to Ino (Reply #47)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:46 PM

123. NBC article now says "overturned" not "on fire". Firefighters show at car wrecks often just in case

they are needed as sometimes fuel spills.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #123)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:50 PM

126. Ok. But does that prove that this was a PR stunt?

 

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Response to tumtum (Reply #126)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:52 PM

129. It proves you are reporting inaccurate information as reality.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #129)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:08 PM

140. No I'm not.

 

I'm linking to what was availble at the time.

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Response to tumtum (Reply #140)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:55 PM

191. And yet, for some reason, you do not acknowledge you were posting inaccurate info. You do not edit

or post "UPDATE, car was not on fire". Odd.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:34 PM

52. Alcoa Quote

AA (NYSE)$8.11+0.04 (+0.50%)

Yep, they're up.

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Response to wercal (Reply #52)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:46 PM

93. you win the thread.

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Response to wercal (Reply #52)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:01 PM

137. ...

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:43 PM

56. Believe what you will. I just don't take this at face value.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:43 PM

57. I'm not going to say I don't believe it, however...

..today does seem to be a big Zimmerman PR day out on the interwebz

Case in point #1

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/dana-perino-bashes-obama-wheres-your-speech-for-baby-shot-in-the-face-by-black-teens/

Dana Perino Bashes Obama: Where’s Your Speech For Baby ‘Shot In The Face By Black Teens?’

Former Bush Press Secretary Dana Perino continued the weekend’s primary conservative argument on This Week with George Stephanopoulos, when she asked why President Barack Obama chose the Trayvon Martin shooting as a subject for a national address (albeit an impromptu one) but not any other crimes—specifically, the March shooting of a toddler in Brunswick, Georgia by two black teens.

“When a president speaks, it’s to multiple audiences,” Perino said. “So from the prism of self-defense, when you think of a young mother whose two year old son was shot in the face by the two black teens who approached her in Atlanta, and that baby has died—Why do presidents choose to speak about one case and not the other? That’s why it’s better maybe not to talk about any of them. They chose to talk about this one.”


A variation of this one is making the "Like and Share If You Agree" Circuit on Facebook


Case in point #2

http://news.yahoo.com/pastor-ken-hutcherson-speaks-fellow-african-americans-amid-120417593.html

‘Put Jesus Above Our Blackness’: Guess Which Pastor Has a Blunt Message Following the Trayvon Martin Outcry

Pastor Ken Hutcherson's story both inspires and captivates audiences. The faith leader, who recently participated in Glenn Beck's "Man in the Moon," has battled terminal cancer for years -- and has had a fascinating journey when it comes to his views on race relations in America. Considering this latter element of his story, Hutcherson is speaking out in the wake of the George Zimmerman verdict.

After opening a recent op-ed with a Martin Luther King Jr. quote about speaking the truth, he warned readers that what he was about to say wouldn't be popular, polite or safe -- but that it is, in his view, "right." From there, he dove right in to the tragic Trayvon Martin saga.

"When you have a young black boy who is killed by what some are calling a white Hispanic, and Jackson and Sharpton (of the PPA or the Poverty Pimps of America), and a liberal media involved, you have the equivalent of nitroglycerin," Hutcherson wrote. "Oh by the way, I never heard of 'white Hispanic' before but I guess this fits the bill in this case. This incident only needed someone to light the fuse. Why is this true because black people are involved?"


The preacher went on to state his agreement with some of Dr. James Manning's sentiments surrounding George Zimmerman and the Martin case. As you may recall, Manning delivered a controversial message proclaiming that African Americans are viewing the world -- and the Martin case -- through their "black eyes" and that they need to start looking, instead, through the "blood of Jesus."


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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:44 PM

58. What is it you do not believe?

There was no car crash?

Or there were no people in the crash?

Or no citizen assisted people in the crash?

Or that there was a crash where two people assisted (as described in the story) but neither of them was Zimmerman?

It's confusing what you are even alleging.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #58)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:48 PM

60. I think there was an incident. I just am skeptical about the story.

I am or may not be proven wrong. Does it matter ? I mean I just asked a question.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #58)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:50 PM

62. The allegation is obvious

The whole thing was staged -- the crash, fire, rescue, victims, everything -- with assistance from the Sanford PD and the local sheriff's office, and probably even ABC News, all for the sole purpose of a PR stunt to benefit George Zimmerman.

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Response to Seeking Serenity (Reply #62)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:59 PM

68. More fox than abc.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:50 PM

63. news is a business a huge business

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 02:55 PM

67. If they can fake the moon landing, they could certainly fake something like this.

Just wait until they start quietly executing the potential whistleblowers.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #67)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:02 PM

71. I can't tell whether you're joking or not.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #67)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:32 PM

87. If he's stupid enough to illegally wire money from his jail cell, he's stupid enough try PR...

If he's stupid enough to illegally wire money from his jail cell, he's stupid enough to attempt a crack-pot PR stunt.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other (insert distinction without a difference here)

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:00 PM

69. The usual suspects

are here to support Zimmerman and to swear that he's actually a misunderstood hero who only kills for the good of mankind.

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Response to billh58 (Reply #69)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:03 PM

72. ...

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Response to billh58 (Reply #69)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:04 PM

73. I expected pushback on this.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:01 PM

70. It's like W. Bush clearing brush on his ranch.

Technically it might have happened, but you have a vague feeling it was staged somehow. Perhaps without his knowledge.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:04 PM

74. Must of been

God's will to redeem Georgie so quickly

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:20 PM

77. Why would George Zimmerman, who has been in hiding for the past year,

and even after the trial was hiding and afraid for his life, (according to his attorney) unexpectedly go out in public, without his security, and suddenly be johnny-on-the-spot at an vehicle accident?

I can't believe this is anything more than a setup. George's brother, Robert Zimmerman, has been extremely focused on rehabilitating the Zimmerman name. I wouldn't put it past him or George's attorney's (who fattened him up for trial) to invent a situation in order to cast the murderous George Zimmerman in a better light, right when more criminal charges against him might be in the works.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #77)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:23 PM

81. Great point.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #77)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:23 PM

112. Good post. nt

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #77)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:32 PM

177. That's EXACTLY What I Posted Earlier Myself...

Something seems VERY weird about all of this. I want pictures, video or proof that can actually be validly substantiated before I give a or a

Zimmerman, the Savior of Florida!!

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #177)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:06 PM

195. Yes... color me skeptical when something too self-serving

occurs at just the right time that it might inure to the benefit of George Zimmerman.

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Response to JimDandy (Reply #77)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 04:18 PM

261. Because he's a wannabe cop?

Just as in the previous incident, he sprang into action and did what he thought a cop would do. The first time he ignored what the dispatcher told him to do, which was to back off; this time he got it right.

I know it's hard to be objective when your emotions are running wild, but the rescue really happened. Your common sense should tell you that it wasn't staged.

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Response to Lionel Mandrake (Reply #261)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:36 PM

262. I never said the accident didn't happen.

I question how (and perhaps even whether ) he came to be at the scene of an accident when he is supposedly so afraid for his life that he wears a vest and is in hiding. Even his attorney said the timing "was unique" and that Zimmerman never said anything to him last week about helping out at an accident scene (O'Mara met with him on Friday) His attorney spoke to the press about the matter yesterday after hearing the story elsewhere.

Because of the numerous lies George Zimmerman has told over the course of the last year and a half, I probably never will believe anything having to do with this man. That's it plain and simple.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:23 PM

80. One "AW Shit" wipes out ten thousand "Atta Boys"

And shooting an unarmed teenager for being black in the rain and dark is the biggest Aw Shit I've ever heard of.

If he saved someone(s), then he has taken his first step in a ten thousand mile journey to forgiveness (at that point I'll admit he changed from an asshole to something else).

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:23 PM

82. The story doesn't say but I'd be surprised...

...if George is driving around by himself these days. Imagine his fear of having a flat tire and being stranded by the side of the road.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:27 PM

83. Please tell me some of y'all are just pulling hrmjustin's leg.

There is no way 83 people (probably more by now) think the media, police dept., fire and rescue, and many others staged this just so Zimmy could rescue some one? Fire and Rescue? Come on!!

More than likely, Zimmy has a scanner, heard it, went out to play Captain America.

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Response to Sissyk (Reply #83)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:30 PM

85. Thats possible.

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Response to Sissyk (Reply #83)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:40 PM

89. Oh no. They got to you, too?

This thing is bigger than I thought.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:28 PM

84. I think he helped this family and that he murdered Trayvon Martin...

 

I am also relatively sure OJ was a fun guy to be around when he wasn't killing you, and Catholic Priests are great guys unless you happen to be a little boy.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:31 PM

86. Is this really bothering people so much?

Jeez, 4 threads


no i think it's a conspiracy by the news media. They used black helicopters and special effects to fabricate a pro Zimmerman story.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:40 PM

90. What's disgusting is how the MSM seems to have a stake in propping him up.

But after this, he's too radioactive. They look craven trying to boost his image.

The people who understand he's a stalking, profiling murderer aren't going to forget that.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:41 PM

91. sure, he could pull someone out of a wreck, but he's still a murderous douche. nt

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:46 PM

94. He has shed innocent blood

he has a lot to atone. Perhaps this is the Mercy he prayed for. George Zimmerman to be there, serving the Lord, for the good of man. This plot would have worked in the 50's.

Also astounding how the Lord does work in mysterious ways, to save Zimmerman from shooting Travyon, so he could be there to rescue that person. Mysterious indeed.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 03:50 PM

96. Not without verification that the person saved has 0 ties (including financial) to Z, his lawyers,

family, or "friends."

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:03 PM

98. Yes.

But he's still a murderous shitheel.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 04:49 PM

99. he's trying to rehabilitate his wimp status. eom

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Response to ellenfl (Reply #99)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:41 PM

120. Exactly and listening to police scanner

Someone on another thread said he could have heard on a police scanner. I saw his wife had a bodyguard at the trial. They probably are staying with his friends who testified and bought him new suits. And he's listening because he's super paranoid right now. Or maybe he's got a scanner in his car. He is also Georgie Porgy Block Watch guy and he could not resist playing the hero. I imagine neither lawyers nor SPD would advise him to take such actions for the time being. But he's the creepy ass cracker who can't stop doing what it is he does.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:19 PM

108. He "helped", not "saved"

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #108)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:24 PM

113. It could also be he helped save.

 

Sometimes a duck is just that, a duck.

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Response to tumtum (Reply #113)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:37 PM

117. No injuries to any of them. How did he "save" them? All articles except fox say "overturned"

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:19 PM

109. I wish you'd put in the option "Hell, no." nt

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:21 PM

111. Of course you don't.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:40 PM

119. Was he wearing a superhero cape?

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:48 PM

125. I'm not sure

But I wouldn't put it past he and his family to hire a PR firm.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:50 PM

127. LOL

I WILL KICK HRMJUSTIN ASS JUST FOR ASKING

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Response to Skittles (Reply #127)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:34 PM

161. LOL! They really got upset with me for daring to ask this.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #161)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:52 PM

165. well they believed his ridiculous story

they'll believe anything

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Response to Skittles (Reply #165)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:54 PM

166. The fact that it took four days to report this means nothing to them.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #166)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:21 PM

174. of course

see, to them this silly story proves Zimmerman is not a paranoid gun humping racist coward.....he CARES don'tcha know? HE'S A SWELL GUY!!!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #174)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:22 PM

175. Foxnews is probably going to buy the rights to the story.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #175)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:26 PM

176. he thought nothing of targeting, stalking and killing a teenager

and he will think nothing of profitting from it, either - he's a disgusting racist gun humping coward

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Response to Skittles (Reply #176)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:34 PM

179. I hope Trayvons family sues and gets any money that he gets.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #220)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:06 PM

221. what is a NASA truther?

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Response to Skittles (Reply #221)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:08 PM

223. No idea but what caught my eye was "Face it... Z has a history of doing nice things for people."

Made me want to puke.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #223)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:30 PM

232. he's nice when he's not being a paranoid racist gun humping killer!!!!!!!

or diddling his cousin or assaulting his gf or a cop or......etc etc

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Response to Skittles (Reply #232)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:32 PM

233. This one seems to think Trayvon started it.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #233)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:37 PM

234. well that's what all paranoid racist gun humping cowards think, hrmjustin

their ignorance and fear TRUMPS ALL!!!!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #234)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:38 PM

235. It boggles the mind how they could think Trayvon started this.

Actually it doesn't because they want to think that.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:52 PM

130. There's no way it's a staged event - too many people would have to be in on it

But there's a very real possibility that Zimmerman was sitting home watching "Cops" and listening to his police scanner and heard the report of the accident and somehow managed to get there ahead of the police.

In the confusion he could claim all kinds of shit and its likely nobody would question him. The Sanford cops don't seem like the sharpest tools in the shed anyway and you just know Zimmerman knows all the right phrases and cop buzzwords to make it seem like he was right on top of things.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #130)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:57 PM

134. Including you, perhaps.

How do we know that you are not one of the people employed by the conspiracy to go around online casting doubt on the conspiracy?

And since we don't know you are not, doesn't that mean we know that you are?

After all... we don't know much about this supposed car crash, but we *know* it is fake.

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Response to tularetom (Reply #130)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:27 PM

157. ^^^^^THIS

Is what most likely happened...The fact that it's a mile from home makes it very convenient, and I promise you Zim was burning to do some "good deed" in public, especially after the President's speech on Friday...

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:54 PM

133. Gee, I thought he was "weak" and

not very physically fit.

I suppose maybe there was an incident and Zippy may have been nearby, but he's still a fucking murderer.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:03 PM

138. I don't doubt that he helped pull people from a car.

But that's really not such a big deal. I find it very unlikely that it entailed "saving them", however.

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Response to Marr (Reply #138)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:10 PM

143. Yes, if it's being reported that he "saved their lives" then that is most likely PR spin.

If he happened upon a wreck and--as is human nature--went over to the vehicle to render assistance, and perhaps helped a passenger or two get untangled from their seat belts, I don't see why that is so hard to believe.

I find it VERY hard to believe--unlike so many in this thread, apparently--that this whole event was staged and dozens of people are in on the conspiracy, and supposedly will all keep their lips sealed. That is silly woo.

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Response to Common Sense Party (Reply #143)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:18 PM

151. Yeah, I agree-- that seems awfully unfeasible.

Human beings aren't cartoon characters, with the possible of exception of Dick Cheney, who actually used the phrase "do-gooder" as an insult.

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Response to Marr (Reply #151)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:20 PM

152. Wasn't Cheney a bad guy in the Dick Tracy comic strip? n/t

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:14 PM

144. Well - its over now

Knocked off the airwaves by an itty bitty baby buy!

I'd like to send my regards to the Royal Family for releasing the news AFTER Georgie's PR Team released his!

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:15 PM

146. I will suspect a hoax

If the victims turn out to be any three of Amanda Berry, Gina DeJesus, Michelle Knight, and Charles Ramsey.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:15 PM

147. Almost certainly staged...

1. Less than a mile from home (convenient)

2. Zim left without speaking to deputies (wouldn't want anyone asking questions, and of course the deputies make sure the whole WORLD knows about what happened)

3. I don't know how many "truck rollovers" occur with "no injuries"...(If there were no injuries, then there was no apparent imminent danger to the occupants)...

4. If it wasn't staged (assuming this was a real, random car crash he happened across), and he just gave some uninjured people a hand to stand up, then he is going over-the-top in pimping his image rehab (and others have mentioned his sitting by the police scanner for *something* where he can just magically show up and be the good guy)...

5. I like how ABC has just one third of the space dedicated to the actual story, while the rest is solely about phoned-in death threats...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #147)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:17 PM

149. Thank you!

Just seems like bull to me.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #149)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:34 PM

160. Wait a minute...AND I just notice it happened LAST THURSDAY?

This story reeks even worse now...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #160)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:36 PM

164. It took this long to find out. Just seems like bull to me.

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #147)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:32 PM

178. Are you really trying to argue that a rollover accident was staged by Zimmerman and his ilk?

Because...

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #178)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 08:25 AM

254. Like others said, I think he was waiting by the scanner

for something to happen closeby so he could show up and be the hero...The rollover was probably real, but anything that Zim says he did at the scene other than stand around is bullshit...

Don't think for a minute that his cop buddies aren't looking out for him, since evidently they are the ones who vouched for his "heroism" and took this meaningless event to the press...So why wait until Monday to publicize a four-day-old event? Why even publicize it at all?

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:20 PM

154. Just like I believe Jonny Depp was part Native-American before he was offered the role of Tonto.



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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:21 PM

155. Did they unfurl a "Mission Accomplished" banner above the truck? n/t

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:33 PM

159. No, he didn't SAVE anyone. He just happened to be in the right place at the right time...

Zimmerman and another man were assisting a family of four when officers with the Seminole County Sheriff's Office arrived on the scene of the accident. A blue Ford Explorer had traveled off the road and rolled over, according to officials.

Zimmerman and the other man were helping the two children and their parents get out of the overturned vehicle, the Seminole County Sheriff’s Office said. The former neighborhood watch volunteer left the scene after making contact with police and did not witness the crash.

There were no injuries to any of the vehicle’s occupants, according to police.


http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/22/19618495-zimmerman-emerges-to-help-family-escape-overturned-car-in-sanford-fla?lite

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 06:57 PM

167. Nothing that lying sack of shit says...

.. can be believed. Ever. Fuck that murdering, cowardly bastard.

Same to his supporters. All of them.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:02 PM

168. What a joke!

Did it really happen? Did he find an opportunity to help clear his name in society?

My first thought is convenience

What's for sure is our Government, at this very moment is scheming to fuck US over even more.

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Response to Ahpook (Reply #168)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:04 PM

169. Took four days to report.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:07 PM

170. holy cow, talk about conspiracy theorists nt

 

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Response to markiv (Reply #170)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:08 PM

171. Took 4 days to report.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:36 PM

180. This is goddamn insanity. Zimmerman did not stage a roll over accident.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #180)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:41 PM

182. Why did it take four days to report on it. No injuries on the four people when the car

rolled over. Just seems fishy to me.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #182)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:43 PM

184. Almost anything is more plausible than a staged rollover accident.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #184)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:45 PM

185. Oh course they could have staged it. Yes I maybe wrong but it seems too odd to me.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #185)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:47 PM

186. Do you understand the logistics involved with creating a rollover car accident?

It would be impossible to do so without leaving a trail.

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Response to Gravitycollapse (Reply #186)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:49 PM

188. No I am not an expert on it. I could be wrong but I don't believe what I am being

told by the media. Maybe I just don't want to believe it, I have to accept that, but there are some strange things about this story.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:37 PM

181. Do I think

Zimmerman heard something on a police scanner, rushed there as fast as he could, and didn't think twice about butting in regardless of his lack of training? I sure do.

Of course, the media already seems to be revising parts of the story, like the fire, so maybe you're onto something

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Response to NoGOPZone (Reply #181)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:43 PM

183. The big think to me is there were no injuries at all and it took 4 days to get to the media.

And he just walks around with no security when he is the most hated man in America.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #183)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:03 PM

193. Exactly - this...

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 07:52 PM

189. no, they have no credibility with me

i would need some proof to believev it.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:04 PM

194. Story seems legit to me

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:06 PM

196. It sure is interesting all the people who told us not to judge until all the facts were out...

Now seem to want to label all of us who don't accept this story without evidence as being "conspiracy theorists".

They insisted we wait until we had "all the facts" during the trial even though the evidence that Zimmerman killed Martin was indisputable, but now they insist we don't wait for the facts on this supposed "rescue" and instead just blindly accept what the Sanford Police tell us without seeing any physical evidence to back this story up.

If we criticize Zimmerman we are wrong because we are not "waiting for all the facts", but if the news story makes Zimmerman look good then we are scolded and called conspiracy theorists because we want to wait for the facts rather than blindly buying into this story.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #196)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:10 PM

198. Well said!

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #198)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:18 PM

200. Thanks for not caving into them

You are right to ask questions about this, the Sanford Police Department may be the least credible police department in the US and anything they say should not immediately be trusted. There does not need to be a conspiracy for this story to be a lie, the accident could have happened but George Zimmerman's role may have been greatly exaggerated.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #200)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:22 PM

201. I had a few that said I am making DU suck but I not going to keep silent on this.

I sometimes hold back on things but i was not going to hold back on this.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #201)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:33 PM

205. No, you are probably mostly right

What I believe likely happened was that Zimmerman was called to the scene by one of his cop buddies to help out at the scene so he could use it for PR. It seems like way too big of a coincidence that a guy who is in hiding and is not going out in public just happens to be the first person at the scene of an accident. Someone calling him up and telling him to help out at the scene to make himself look good? That seems much more plausible, but it would not be an act of heroism and would essentially make the story we heard a lie even if he was at the scene.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #205)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:34 PM

206. This is the most likely thing.

But in the end we have no proof any of this really happened.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #206)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:36 PM

207. No we really don't, but the Sanford Police story is way too convenient

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #207)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:39 PM

208. I would like to know who is the other person who helped pull the victims out.

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Response to Bjorn Against (Reply #196)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 08:26 AM

255. +1000

and lest I remind the good people here, Zim doesn't have the most honest of reputations...

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:09 PM

197. "But Brawndo's got what plants crave. It's got electrolytes."

"I'm Secretary of State, brought to you by Carl's Jr."

"Welcome to Costco, I love you. Welcome to Costco, I love you. Welcome to Costco, I love you. Welcome to Costco, I love you."

"Comin' up next on The Violence Channel: An all-new "Ow, My Balls!"


Need I continue?

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:16 PM

199. Trayvon saved his father's life but Zimmy still took Trayvon's. nt

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:28 PM

202. I think my IQ just dropped 40%

 

Reading the "staged rollover crash with 2 children inside" conspiracy theories.

Its a theory right up there with DHS camps being built to imprison gun owners.

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Response to GlashFordan (Reply #202)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:30 PM

203. Then don't read them.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #203)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:55 PM

212. But it's amusing

 

I saw a NASA truther upthread lol...

Face it... Z has a history of doing nice things for people. And a history of shooting an unarmed teen too...

Why can't u just say that u despise Z but he did good that day? Are you so sour about the verdict that you're blinded?

Jus sayin...

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Response to GlashFordan (Reply #212)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:01 PM

215. He killed Trayvon, beat his girlfriend, and hit a cop. Yeah what a swell guy.

Maybe I am not the one who is blinded.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #215)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:10 PM

224. Oh ffs

 

Read the report about the restraining order. It was a he said/ she said, she had no injuries and no charges were filed. He claims she attacked him and she claims he shoved her. If she had a single bruise Z woulda been arrested.

And "hit" a cop? You mean the light shove that ended up as a dismissed case of " resisting arrest with no violence"?

Class dismissed Captain Hyperbole

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Response to GlashFordan (Reply #224)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:11 PM

225. Do you think Zimmerman started in with Trayvon or vice versa?

Please I am just curious.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #225)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:24 PM

227. I wasn't there and neither were you

 

But the preponderance of evidence at the trial seemed to indicate TM was the aggressor as defined in Florida law.

There is no evidence that Z ever touched TM.

Was Z a cowardly busy body "do-gooder" wannabee cop?

Yes.

Did Z break a law according to Florida statute?

Jury said no.

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Response to GlashFordan (Reply #227)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:27 PM

229. Who are you more sympathetic towards? TM or GZ?

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #229)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:29 PM

230. "Sympathy" if you mean the real definition...

 

Then my sympathy is with the Martin family.

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Response to GlashFordan (Reply #230)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:30 PM

231. Thank you for answering my questions.

Do you have any?

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #231)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:47 PM

237. No questions really

 

I just wish that you and others could understand and be tolerant of us that feel justice, in the legal sense was served.

Z is no hero. He's responsible for TM death. But he didn't break a law in Florida. Want to solve the problem? Restrict ccw laws, like in California. You do realize... In California if this whole thing went down in Inglewood just like in Sanford, Z is in state prison for 15 to life right? Ot's because the laws are different and Z wouldn't have had a ccw.

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Response to GlashFordan (Reply #237)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:50 PM

238. Justice was not served. and I disagree with you on Trayvon starting it. It is clear

that Zimmerman was the one who started this whole thing. Trayvon was an innocent kid.

People on this board will never stop saying that justice was not served.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #238)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:05 PM

239. If you're arguing

 

That justice was not served in the moral sense, I'd agree with you. And I respect your opinion. But do you understand, under Florida law... Self defense is written so broadly that a Guilty verdict was never possible unless jurors ignored the written law?

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Response to GlashFordan (Reply #239)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:09 PM

240. yes the law sucks.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #240)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:17 PM

241. We agree

 

See how easy that was?

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Response to GlashFordan (Reply #241)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:19 PM

242. Yes but we disagree on who started it.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #242)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:34 PM

243. It probably didn't matter

 

Lets say that Z grabbed TM and said "stay here u f-in punk" and TM clocked him knocking him to the ground. At that point TM had a duty to retreat because the threat was now on his back and apparently helpless. When he started pounding, he became the aggressor and opened the self defense window for Z.

There is like 1 situation where TM was justified to pound Z on the ground. That is if Z had his gun in his hand and if TM had reason to believe that he couldn't retreat without risking being shot. In that case TM was using self defense to prevent being shot.

But there was ZERO evidence supporting that so how could a jury consider it?

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Response to GlashFordan (Reply #243)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:37 PM

244. I believe Zimmerman threw the first punch.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #244)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:40 PM

245. And where did the punch land?

 

On TM pinky finger?

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Response to GlashFordan (Reply #245)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 10:42 PM

246. Maybe he missed.

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Response to GlashFordan (Reply #227)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 08:16 AM

253. He killed an unarmed boy with a gun.

Should be against the law anywhere.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:43 PM

209. I have no reason to doubt it happened. I just wonder why I should care.

Nothing changes the fact that he stalked and murdered a teenager. ABC's fellatio here is just embarassing.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:49 PM

210. Are his arms in casts now?

Punky Weakling, probably sprained his ankle twisted his knee and broke both arms opening the door. If he ain't hurt he didn't help.

After all we didn't hear about him screaming all the way to the scene.
He must have been so afraid. He is a chicken.

Doubt he could lift 5 lbs, let alone assist anyone to their feet. Fat bastard.

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Response to libodem (Reply #210)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:51 PM

211. Great point! Does he have wounds on him?

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #211)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:58 PM

213. His lily white palms

Must be all bruised up now. He is such an impotent, ineffectual, lump of mushy jello. Wonder if he got a black eye looking in the windows? Maybe just eye strain?

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #217)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:40 PM

236. Wonder why he is hiding out on vacation

Doesn't he have a job sweeping up hair in a beauty salon? Or maybe he can't do anything without deadly force strapped to his candy ass. He might need to off some Granny for complaining about her shampoo/set?

Oh, yeah, the broom would be too heavy for Noballs, to lift.

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Response to libodem (Reply #213)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:25 PM

228. He's white? Lily white?

I'm pretty white, but not as white as a lily.

Z is much darker than me. He looks like most people I've met from Mexico.

What does it matter, you say?

Yeah, I was wondering the same thing.

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #228)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 07:56 AM

252. depends on if he has a tan or not, but he's pretty light-skinned. you might even say pasty.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 08:59 PM

214. Hell no!

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Mon Jul 22, 2013, 09:03 PM

216. Could have happened

Changes nothing else, though.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 07:19 AM

248. Yes because I think he's a narcissist and has a hero complex

I don't think he can help himself.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 07:30 AM

250. Don't know and don't care. (no text)

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 05:51 PM

263. FUCK No!

 

Like I said here yesterday, Zimmy has obviously hired Vladimir Putin's publicist.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2013, 06:27 PM

264. This kind of "hero" usually doesn't make national headlines.

This kind of "heroism" probably happens quite a bit at the scene of accidents and fires and so forth. The "heroes" may be mentioned in the police report or the newspaper story but not much more than that. It sure looks suspicious for somebody trying to rehabilitate their image with a PR stunt.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2013, 11:52 AM

265. Will the father explain today how they staged the accident ? -nt

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Response to Bonx (Reply #265)

Wed Jul 24, 2013, 11:54 AM

266. My question is why do they need to explain anything. Seems like they will be promoting Zimmerman.

Maybe they are upset that Zimmerman was not getting attention because of the Royal baby and Weiner story. THis presser makes it more suspicious to me.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2013, 11:57 AM

267. I could care less.

He's still a murderer and should be in jail.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2013, 12:10 PM

268. Don't believe it for a second.

I wish this guy would just go away.

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2013, 08:48 PM

269. Kick!

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Response to hrmjustin (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2013, 10:48 PM

270. Woman "rescued" is daughter of cop who organized citizens' policing

I'm not the conspiracy theorist type but I find this an amazing coincidence. I've seen online that Dana Gerstle's maiden name is Muffoletto, she is from Daytona Beach, and has a brother named Joey. I grew up in Daytona. Everyone in town knew Lt. JOE MUFFOLETTO, a high-profile cop who managed public relations for the DBPD. He also lead the Police Explorers and "Concerned Citizens" a citizens policing group that he described in this 1978 newspaper interview as the "first line of defense against crime."

[link:http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1873&dat=19780712&id=C_IpAAAAIBAJ&sjid=DNMEAAAAIBAJ&pg=3801%2C4567002http://|

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Response to Dagny_K (Reply #270)

Wed Jul 24, 2013, 10:55 PM

271. Thanks for the info. Is this certain that she is related to this guy?

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #271)

Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:21 AM

273. Additional info on Dana Gerstle

More info is definitely needed. I did a bit more digging around and wrote out the details along with my theory on the crash in another thread. I tried to post a link to it and it won't post so I'll quote the post below.

When I found out Dana Gerstle's maiden name earlier this evening I was FREAKIN' OUT and I called my mom and she freaked out too!!!

Daytona and Sanford are just about a half hour apart so we're talking about the same general geographical area. Also in this area are Ormond Beach and Port Orange.

Checking Zabasearch, there is one Joseph Muffoletto, 72 years old, in Daytona, and one Joseph Muffoletto in Ormond, 47 years old. Father and son, don't you think?

I'm seeing information online that Dana Gerstle has identified herself in many places, like her Pinterest page, as Dana Muffoletto Gerstle. She's described as from Daytona and has a brother named "Joey." The Gerstles now live in Port Orange.

Zabasearch lists "Dana Michelle Muffoletto" age 41, at the same Port Orange address as "Dana Michelle Gerstle" also age 41.

Her maiden name is Muffoletto and there is exactly ONE Muffalotto family in the Daytona area. What do you think?

So how could Zimmerman know her? Her father devoted his career to advocating citizen policing. He was extremely high-profile in Daytona for decades. He was THE face of the DBPD. I chose that 1978 newspaper article because I think what he says is chilling. Citizens are the first line of defense while police take a secondary role because criminals now have more rights than citizens. AND HE SAID THAT IN 1978!!!! He could be a freakin' NRA member saying that TODAY. Zimmerman would eat that shit up with a spoon.

After he retired from the police, Muffoletto was the criminal justice coordinator for a Daytona college. He's listed in the yearbook as recently as 2010. I think it's very likely he continued to give presentations and talks in the area and being that citizen policing was his life's work, if Zimmerman heard about a presentation like that, he'd be in the front row and want to meet the speaker afterward. Probably REALLY want to be his new best friend. I think that could have happened at some point during Georgie's law enforcement studies.

My theory on the crash. I think Zimmerman knew the family and they were going somewhere together in their own cars when the accident happened. Zimmer Man rushed to help his friends, having regained a normal man's strength now that the trial is over, and he did them a favor by ducking out when the police showed up, so as to avoid too much attention drawn to himself. 'Cos he's such a caring guy.


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