Wed Mar 6, 2013, 06:47 PM
annabanana (45,567 posts)
Easy Peasy sequester fix, ala Alan Grayson:
Congress: Vote For The Cancel the Sequester Act of 2013 (HR 900)
http://signon.org/s/OvszVk Last Friday, my friend Congressman John Conyers introduced a bill called the "Cancel the Sequester Act of 2013" -- a bill that, not surprisingly, cancels the sequester.
In case you haven't heard, the sequester is an endless series of irrational and cruel budget cuts. Fortunately, since Congress gave birth to the sequester, Congress can also kill it. Here's the entire bill: "Section 251A of the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985 is repealed." That's it. That's the solution, in a single sentence. No loopholes. No self-imposed crises. Just one sentence. Join us by signing a petition in support of just-say-no to the sequester. 75,000 people already have. Courage, Rep. Alan Grayson
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44 replies, 3795 views
| Author | Time | Post | |
| annabanana | Mar 6 | OP | |
| panader0 | Mar 6 | #1 | |
| Blanks | Mar 6 | #2 | |
| NV Whino | Mar 6 | #3 | |
| reteachinwi | Mar 6 | #4 | |
| annabanana | Mar 6 | #5 | |
| zeemike | Mar 6 | #6 | |
| WillyT | Mar 6 | #7 | |
| littlemissmartypants | Mar 6 | #8 | |
| annabanana | Mar 6 | #10 | |
| MadLinguist | Mar 6 | #9 | |
| fasttense | Mar 7 | #11 | |
| annabanana | Mar 7 | #12 | |
| sendero | Mar 7 | #19 | |
| fasttense | Mar 7 | #31 | |
| bullwinkle428 | Mar 7 | #13 | |
| annabanana | Mar 7 | #14 | |
| Roland99 | Mar 7 | #15 | |
| JayhawkSD | Mar 7 | #16 | |
| trumad | Mar 7 | #17 | |
| TheKentuckian | Mar 7 | #18 | |
| JDPriestly | Mar 7 | #22 | |
| SomeGuyInEagan | Mar 7 | #29 | |
| JDPriestly | Mar 7 | #42 | |
| SomeGuyInEagan | Mar 8 | #44 | |
| SaveAmerica | Mar 7 | #27 | |
| ieoeja | Mar 7 | #39 | |
| quakerboy | Mar 7 | #41 | |
| hue | Mar 7 | #20 | |
| geardaddy | Mar 7 | #21 | |
| onestepforward | Mar 7 | #23 | |
| Spitfire of ATJ | Mar 7 | #24 | |
| SaveAmerica | Mar 7 | #25 | |
| midnight | Mar 7 | #26 | |
| Purplehazed | Mar 7 | #28 | |
| SalviaBlue | Mar 7 | #30 | |
| RedstDem | Mar 7 | #32 | |
| annabanana | Mar 7 | #33 | |
| BobTheSubgenius | Mar 7 | #34 | |
| rtracey | Mar 7 | #35 | |
| silvershadow | Mar 7 | #36 | |
| Purplehazed | Mar 7 | #37 | |
| timdog44 | Mar 7 | #38 | |
| annabanana | Mar 7 | #40 | |
| Oilwellian | Mar 7 | #43 |
Response to annabanana (Original post)
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 07:03 PM
panader0 (9,557 posts)
1. Thanks to Alan Grayson.
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We need more like him. K and R
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Response to annabanana (Original post)
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 07:11 PM
Blanks (1,351 posts)
2. I got that very same email...
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And signed the petition.
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Response to annabanana (Original post)
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 07:33 PM
NV Whino (14,250 posts)
3. Signed
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Really, government doesn't have to be complicated.
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Response to annabanana (Original post)
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 07:51 PM
reteachinwi (550 posts)
4. Signed
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and I told my congressman that I had signed it.
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Response to reteachinwi (Reply #4)
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 07:52 PM
annabanana (45,567 posts)
5. Way to go!. . thanks. . . .n/t
Response to annabanana (Original post)
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:31 PM
zeemike (10,821 posts)
6. Went there, did that.
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Thank you Mr, Grayson.
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Response to annabanana (Original post)
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 08:40 PM
WillyT (45,573 posts)
7. HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!!
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Response to annabanana (Original post)
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 09:11 PM
littlemissmartypants (2,999 posts)
8. There are currently 145,998 signatures
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+ 1.
Love, Peace and Shelter. lmsp |
Response to littlemissmartypants (Reply #8)
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 10:01 PM
annabanana (45,567 posts)
10. excellent!. . . .n/t
Response to annabanana (Original post)
Wed Mar 6, 2013, 09:13 PM
MadLinguist (172 posts)
9. John Conyers has been my hero since 2004
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when he headed the Office of Accountability and was investigating the fraudulent activities surrounding W's s-called re-election. He is a great old soldier
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Response to annabanana (Original post)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 03:21 AM
fasttense (14,436 posts)
11. What? Common sense in congress, is that even allowed?
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Aside from a few very rational congress-critters like Grayson and Sanders, for the most part, our federal politician do NOT want to stop the sequester. It gives cuts in federal spending like RepubliCONS want and it gives Democrats cover for doing what RepubliCONS want. It's a win-win for both parties.
The only problem is the sequester does NOT give cuts in Social Security and Medicare. But I think Obama has a plan up his sleeve to take care of that too. Sequester, or as most of the world calls it AUSTERITY, is just what the corporations and Wall Street love. See how the stock market went up? Because it allows for an impoverished desperate workforce that corporations can take advantage of. It ensures the majority of people will never get ahead and be forever at the mercy of corporate overlords. Austerity, sequester, paying off the deficit with cuts in federal spending, is exactly how Herbert Hoover would have done it during the Great Depression. |
Response to fasttense (Reply #11)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:08 AM
annabanana (45,567 posts)
12. The world really needs the Wobblies now!. . .n/t
Response to fasttense (Reply #11)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:35 AM
sendero (25,000 posts)
19. Medicare..
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..... while it ostensibly does not cut Medicare BENEFITS, it dues cut Medicare reimbursements to hospitals and physicians by 2% starting April 1st.
While this does not cur benefits directly, a lot more doctors are going to opt to NOT see Medicare patients, since many of them already complain that their reimbursement from Medicare does not even cover their cost. |
Response to sendero (Reply #19)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 01:15 PM
fasttense (14,436 posts)
31. Thanks, I forgot about that change. n/t
Response to annabanana (Original post)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:14 AM
bullwinkle428 (11,384 posts)
13. Almost 177,000 signatures at this point. They need to get to 200,000!
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K&R.
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Response to bullwinkle428 (Reply #13)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:16 AM
annabanana (45,567 posts)
14. thanks for the kick!. . .n/t
Response to annabanana (Original post)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:12 AM
Roland99 (36,498 posts)
15. Less than 20,000 needed now
Response to annabanana (Original post)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:15 AM
JayhawkSD (351 posts)
16. Let's make a deal. Not in favor of the sequester, but...
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First of all, the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985 doesn't actually exist in law, it was ruled unconstitutional and was replaced by the 1987 Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Reaffirmation Act. One would think that a couple of Congressmen would know that.
Second, I suppose that he believes that by suspending that clause of that act he will eliminate the debt ceiling. It won't because he has the wrong bill, one which was ruled unconstitutional and was voided. Not sure what he plans to eliminate, because the text of these bills is not readily available. Maybe he intends to eliminate the sequester in that bill, since it did contain one. That would be irrelevant, because today's sequester is not a product of that bill, ir was created by the Budget Control Act of 2011. Now for the deal. I'll pay you $5000 for your car. After you deliver your car then I'll pass a resolution that says I'm repealing the part of the deal that requires me to pay you $5000, but not the part of the deal that requires you to give me your car. Sound good? That's what Conyers/Grayson is suggesting in canceling the sequester. The Budget Control Act of 2011 contained two essential parts which are pertinent here. It contained an immediate increase in the debt ceiling, and it contained the sequester. Those two things were trade offs, just as my $5000 is a trade off for your car. Obama (and Conyers/Grayson) got the debt ceiling increase, and now with the debt ceiling increase in hand Conyers/Grayson want to cancel the payment which is the trade off. If, Conyers/Grayson think that be eliminating the debt ceiling the sequester becomes moot, think again. There is a concept in law called "good faith." It's the law that if one party delivers in good faith then the other party is bound by his side of the bargain. Even if the debt ceiling were to be eliminated today, it was in effect at the time of the deal, and it was raised as agreed, so the benefiting party has to deliver on his part of the agreement and the sequester stands. Grayson is, as usual, grandstanding with rhetoric that sounds good and is not based on fact. |
Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #16)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:19 AM
trumad (34,441 posts)
17. Anyone who compares household type debt---err like a car...
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Last edited Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:51 AM USA/ET - Edit history (2) to the debt of the United States, is simply a fucking idiot.
You do realize you took a left turn and ended up here...Should have taken a right. |
Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #16)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:26 AM
TheKentuckian (17,391 posts)
18. Their obligation to "Good Faith" is to the American people not TeaPubliKlan hostage takers
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Congress has every authority (and more obligation to the well being of the country) to nix the thing whether you think it is fair or not.
The suicide pact should be what is illegal. Horrid governance, all involved should resign due to lack of competence, the deal is not dissimilar to me rigging a bomb to blow up as an effort to make sure I meet a deadline I imposed on myself. "If I don't get this done I'm going to blow up my office" insanity here. |
Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #16)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 12:01 PM
JDPriestly (37,758 posts)
22. Stealing from your grandmother's Social Security check is not
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going to solve the essential structural problems in our economy -- like outsourcing, importing too much, relying on expensive, nonrenewable forms of energy and dealing with new economic realities like computers replacing jobs with out-of-date solutions like stagnant wages.
First step: figure out the real causes of the problem. Only after you have figured that out can you solve the problem. The sequester will make things worse. It won't solve the problem. That is because it does not fix what is wrong but just moves the pain from one part of our economy to another. We need to reduce the number of hours in our workweek without reducing wages. Workers do not need to work as long to produce the same result. All workers should benefit from the labor-saving devices and structures. The profits from computers, etc. should not all be going to Wall Street of the bosses. And we should not import so much cheap stuff from other countries without charging import taxes on it. Our trade policies only benefit the rich. They don't benefit the people who need work to make a living. |
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #22)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 01:11 PM
SomeGuyInEagan (1,137 posts)
29. And Medicare/Medicaid is NOT a problem ... the insurance industry IS THE PROBLEM.
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Like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are already funded into the future.
Is Defense? NO. Is Homeland Security? NO. Are any other federal programs? Maybe, but none I know of. So the entitlement programs (I hate that name - they are actually EARNED programs) are not bankrupting anything. They are already fully-funded years into the future. The problem is the cost of medical care in this country. And that problem is caused largely by the insurance companies. Insurance companies = one of the real causes of the problem (but only one) |
Response to SomeGuyInEagan (Reply #29)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 10:22 PM
JDPriestly (37,758 posts)
42. Thanks. You are right.
Response to JDPriestly (Reply #42)
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 09:59 AM
SomeGuyInEagan (1,137 posts)
44. Agreeing with you ... and adding to your original point.
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We need to address the problems, not simply cut without thought.
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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #16)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 12:46 PM
SaveAmerica (4,982 posts)
27. Because there is a whole lot of 'good faith' going on in DC now,
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everyone is great friends and making sure promises are kept.
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Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #16)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 05:32 PM
ieoeja (7,881 posts)
39. A "portion" of the 1985 Act was found unconstitutional. The 1987 Act ammended it.
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Repeal 85 and 87 disappears. |
Response to JayhawkSD (Reply #16)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 09:09 PM
quakerboy (10,568 posts)
41. False example
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The budget control act of 2011 contained the two parts you describe.
These things and the current situation are nothing like agreeing to pay 5k for a car, and then deciding not to pay but still demanding the car. If you really want to oversimplify and use household finances as your analogy, Its a lot closer to sitting down with your wife and agreeing that because your car is dead, you need to replace it, so you will cut your spending on other things. And then realizing that You still need to pay for car insurance, electricity, and food, or you wont be able to feed your kids, do your budget after dark, or get yourself to work on time. So borrowing the 5k to pay for the car and continuing to pay for the other things important to daily life. Possibly the best thing would be to stop eating out (hiring private companies at exorbitant rates to accomplish things we are perfectly able to do via government like offering student loans, incarcerating prisoners, and educating students) and cut our cable package back to basic instead of the full sports and movies and porn version (ie have a defensive military force instead of a world police force, complete with full Mercenary package) But your analogy is roughly analogous to looking at a chihuahua and saying that due to what you see, mountain lions are a safe pet to have with small children. |
Response to annabanana (Original post)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 11:59 AM
geardaddy (14,312 posts)
21. Signed
Response to annabanana (Original post)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 12:03 PM
onestepforward (3,090 posts)
23. "There are currently 186,496 signatures"
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Getting close!
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Response to annabanana (Original post)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 12:04 PM
Spitfire of ATJ (7,367 posts)
24. I can hear the Republicans now....
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"Repeal something from 1985??? That was from,... (insert heavenly choir)...The REAGAN Years!!! Hey,...you!!! Yes, YOU!!! Bow down you heathen!!!"
Face it. The Republicans have become maniacs.
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Response to annabanana (Original post)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 12:42 PM
SaveAmerica (4,982 posts)
25. There are currently 188,134 signatures
Response to annabanana (Original post)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 12:49 PM
Purplehazed (154 posts)
28. Signed. Currently 188,339 signatures nt
Response to annabanana (Original post)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 01:14 PM
SalviaBlue (1,879 posts)
30. K&R
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and signed. Thanks.
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Response to annabanana (Original post)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 02:14 PM
RedstDem (804 posts)
32. should be easy as long as no votes from republicans is needed
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if it would take republican votes to make it..forget about it.
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Response to RedstDem (Reply #32)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 02:23 PM
annabanana (45,567 posts)
33. It's a petition, not legislation (yet). . . .n/t
Response to annabanana (Original post)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 02:23 PM
BobTheSubgenius (1,141 posts)
34. Oh, this is not good.
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The simplicity of common sense - or the common sense of simplicity? We can't be having that, now, can we?
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Response to annabanana (Original post)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 02:38 PM
rtracey (166 posts)
35. Why would they
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Why would the controlling body, the Republicans want to stop the sequester? They WANT these budget cuts, they want less government, and deep down inside in places where we never get to go, they want the defense budget cut too. LESS GOVT is the battle cry of the Tea Party backed Republican house... No... you won't see this bill passed, you won't see an end to this situation unless President Obama caves in on things the democrats want....this is the only way the sequester will be stopped....
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Response to annabanana (Original post)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 03:07 PM
silvershadow (1,528 posts)
36. What a concept. nt
Response to annabanana (Original post)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 03:45 PM
Purplehazed (154 posts)
37. 193549. Nt.
Response to annabanana (Original post)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 05:04 PM
timdog44 (797 posts)
38. Signed.
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Over 202,000 now.
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Response to timdog44 (Reply #38)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 05:49 PM
annabanana (45,567 posts)
40. Thanks!. . .n/t
Response to annabanana (Original post)
Thu Mar 7, 2013, 11:23 PM
Oilwellian (9,281 posts)
43. 220,798 and counting
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K&R
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